Garth, Are you in a seismic zone? I've found high to be better when you have a lot of bracing but I'd otherwise agree with your comments.
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Garth W. Warren<[email protected]> wrote: > Everyone on here seems to be suggesting hanging high. From a different > perspective I always requested a 6" or 8" clear space directly above the > space required by the electrician for light and their installation (usually > 6 to 8"). Never had a problem with high hats - the chances of your pipe > actually occupying the space is slim unless you install center of hall. > Duct and plumbers were all above sprinkler pipe, and since my requirement > for a gridded flat system were minimal, there was never a problem. Nor did > I have problems breaking around duct to get to the ceiling. With the new > flex head extensions this should be even more acceptable for all since you > won't be running your lines in the same row as the diffusers. If the > project had different ceiling heights for large areas, piping would also > break, for small areas not so much. If all trades agree on taking a > specific dimension above finished floor and stick to it there are few > problems that arise. > It may have been unorthodox to you guys but it always served me well. > > Regards, > Garth > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fletcher, Ron" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 11:56 AM > Subject: RE: Renegade HVAC Contractor > > >> Here is a different approach. Most of the comments are what we would all >> like to do in that situation but not very realistic. Picking fights with >> other trades and GC's is nonproductive at best and may cost more in the >> long run than just getting it done. Especially if you ever want to work >> with the same construction team again. >> >> Next time with this GC you will know to install first and install high. >> Deal with the duct work when cutting drops. High and tight will usually >> eliminate most coordination problems. >> >> Just my 2 cents. >> >> Ron Fletcher >> Aero Automatic - Phoenix >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> [email protected] >> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 8:35 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Renegade HVAC Contractor >> >> If he messes up your project, the Project Manager/ GC is at fault and >> creating delay and posibly additional expenses for you to complete your >> work. >> Place a Change Order request with the GC or notice of claim asap for >> additional field engineering and delay. You must assert this claim right >> away. The GC will likely brush it off if it is a smaller project but >> they'll know your serious when you lien the project. Documentation of >> everything is extremely important. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Todd Williams <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:10 pm >> Subject: RE: Renegade HVAC Contractor >> >> >> >> Make sure you set up a camera to get video of them taking it down >> >> >> >> At 02:02 PM 7/30/2009, you wrote: >>>You could consider just throwing up a couple lengths of pipe alongside >> the >>>big openings on their trunk duct, amking sure you're the size of the >> opening >>>+ 6" away from it so you've accommodated the offsets they'd need to get >>>around you. Start with the openings just outside the meeting room. >>> >>>A couple lengths under roof top openings should give them a clue that >> you're >>>serious. In one day you should be able to hang a couple lengths in >> front of >>>several of these, no outlets required, helps you make your point. >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: [email protected] >>>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> Fletcher, Ron >>>Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:21 PM >>>To: [email protected] >>>Subject: RE: Renegade HVAC Contractor >>> >>>At least you are not spending money and time on BIM while all the other >>>trades are doing installation. Remember the sprinkler creed "install >>>high install first". >>> >>>Ron Fletcher >>>Aero Automatic >>>Phoenix >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: [email protected] >>>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brian >>>Harris >>>Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 7:02 AM >>>To: [email protected] >>>Subject: Renegade HVAC Contractor >>> >>>I could use a little ammo for an upcoming coordination meeting I have >> on >>>Monday. We are working on a pretty big school and the HVAC sub (per the >>>spec) is suppose to be spearheading a set of coordination drawings that >>>all subs need to agree on and then sigh off on before "any work can be >>>fabricated or installed". These drawings still have not been completed >>>and are actually not even close to being done. >>> >>>Here's where it gets good: >>> >>>* He has already begun installing his duct and has actually >>>completed >>>a couple wings. (without the approved coordination drawings) >>>* He wants to run all his ductwork 8" above ceiling throughout >> and >>>says sprinkler >> pipe needs to run above him, "that's industry standard" >>>!! >>>* He says he's never heard of ductwork being run through the >>>joist, >>>it's always the sprinkler lines that run up high. (this is in areas >> with >>>ceiling tiles) >>> >>>I could go on and on but I think you get the point, what I would love >> to >>>have is some hard facts/references that I can provide at the meeting so >>>this doesn't turn into a bigger pissing contest than it already has. I >>>don't dare release our pipe for fab without the drawings being signed >>>off but in the mean time he is installing away! >>> >>> >>>Regards, >>> >>> <http://www.firstdefensefire.com/> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) Database version: >>>6.12940 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >>>For Technical Assistance, send an email to: >> [email protected] >>> >>>To Unsubscribe, send an email >> to:[email protected] >>>(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >>>For Technical Assistance, send an email to: >> [email protected] >>> >>>To Unsubscribe, send an email >> to:[email protected] >>>(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >> >> Todd G. 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