I don't see it 'cos I don't know it. What exactly do you see? Can you describe?
Tony -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd Williams Sent: September 9, 2009 7:14 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Galvanized Pipe Crappy water.... you know it when you see it. And I just found some. At 08:48 PM 9/9/2009, you wrote: >Tony, > >As is so often the case on the Forum, crappy water is a technical term. >In this case though it has different meanings depending on the >industry. For instance crappy water to the water connoisseur means a >water with poor taste, whereas to the water purveyor it means any water >on a system beyond an arbitrary point that he might be called on the >carpet for if he allows it back into his system. To him both light >water and heavy water is crappy water. You can guess what it means to a >plumber. In typical sprinkler guy (another technical term) talk crappy >water on the West Coast means water supplied with low quality relative >to pressure and/or flow. I haven't a clue what it means to George. > >On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 4:24 PM, A.P.Silva<[email protected]> wrote: > > Not sure if I understand. > > > > Dry system, black pipe C=100, galvanized pipe C=120 > > > > C=120 is less friction loss. Are you trying to say, "crappy water > > c=100 instead of c=120...." ? > > > > Next question, what is "crappy water"? > > > > Tony > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > George Church > > Sent: September 9, 2009 10:05 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: Galvanized Pipe > > > > Reqmnts for calcs are independent of the type of pipe. > > If you have crappy water, galv gives you c=120 instead of c=100- so > > do you want 25% increase in pipe fro line size increase, or 25% > > increase to stay size and install galv? > > > > XL is galv outside, not internally galvanized. > > It is an assurance that service work will continue into the next > generation. > > > > glc > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eladio N. > > Alvarado > > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 9:53 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: Galvanized Pipe > > > > Then, There is no mandate to use galvanized pipe on "Dry" or > > pre-action systems. Pre-action systems are considered "Dry". Only > > when galvanized pipe is used there are requirements for > > calculations, etc. I'm so much smarter than I was just and hour or so ago. > > > > Thank you all, very much. > > > > Eladio Alvarado > > AFSDII > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]]on Behalf Of Chris > > Cahill > > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 9:41 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: Galvanized Pipe > > > > Practically speaking there is nothing galvanized about XL. If any > > entity, FM, NFPA, PE, owner, large drop heads required galvanized > > pipe XL wouldn't qualify. > > > > Chris Cahill, P.E. > > Fire Protection Engineer > > Sentry Fire Protection, Inc. > > > > 763-658-4483 > > 763-658-4921 fax > > > > Email: [email protected] > > > > Mail: P.O. Box 69 > > Waverly, MN 55390 > > > > Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW > > Waverly, MN 55390 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eladio N. > > Alvarado > > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 8:26 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: Galvanized Pipe > > > > Todd, I do recall that FM at one point required it, but I though > that it had > > been incorporated to NFPA in subsequent revisions? Wasn't that the > > reason for the thread able light wall pipe "XL"? If you would, please elaborate. > > > > > > Eladio Alvarado > > AFSDII > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]]on Behalf Of Todd > > Williams > > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 9:15 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: Galvanized Pipe > > > > It's not required by any specific standard, but is required by > > several insurance companies > > > > > > At 09:04 AM 9/9/2009, you wrote: > >>Would someone be good enough to direct me to the specific location > >>where Galvanized pipe is required by 13 for Dry systems? And where > >>it may be indicated that Pre-action systems are considered "Dry". > >>I've been trying to find it on the On-line codes but I seem to be > >>having trouble dealing with their search engine. Any help would be > >>greatly > > appreciated. > >> > >> > >>Eladio Alvarado > >>AFSDII > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Sprinklerforum mailing list > >>[email protected] > >>http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >> > >>For Technical Assistance, send an email to: > >>[email protected] > >> > >>To Unsubscribe, send an email > >>to:[email protected] > >>(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > > > Todd G. 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