This definitely needs someone with experience. Autoclaves are pressure vessels as well as heating devices. I would be very reluctant to require a sprinkler inside. The others will probably need some protection with ultra high temp heads. Is there an insurance company involved? I know FM has some stuff on this.
BTW, how is the "friendly recommendation role" play out in liability-land? At 12:02 PM 9/22/2009, you wrote: >I agree but as usual our hands are somewhat tied to a friendly >recommendation role. >One oven is a box about the size of a paint booth for cars that >bakes aluminum to aluminum with a thin film of adhesive between them >at 350 degrees. > >2nd one is a 2 head room that does the same. > >3rd one is an autoclave - vessel that the owner adamantly refuse to >put sprinklers in. The other two are up for debate and we are just >beginning this process, so thanks for the input. > >Greg McGahan >Operations Manager > >Living Water Fire Protection >1160 McKenzie Road >P.O. Box 877 >Cantonment, Florida 32533 >(850) 937.1850 | Fax (850) 937.1852 | Cell (850) 554.3231 >[email protected] > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >[email protected] >Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:57 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: walk in Ovens > >There's a lot more info needed to make a final determination. > >Of the aluminum plants I've done, the ovens and presses were >protected by local application, low pressure, CO2 systems with both >automatic and manual activation. Fires in rolling mills were not >uncommon due to the coolants used and the process. > >The "Pe" needs to do some homework and justify his position or hire >someone who knows something about these kinds of hazards. > >Craig L. Prahl, CET >Fire Protection Specialist >Mechanical Department >CH2MHILL >Lockwood Greene >1500 International Drive >PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 >Direct - 864.599.4102 >Fax - 864.599.8439 >[email protected] >http://www.ch2m.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Greg McGahan >Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 11:49 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: walk in Ovens > >The product is aluminum. > >Greg McGahan >Operations Manager > >Living Water Fire Protection >1160 McKenzie Road >P.O. Box 877 >Cantonment, Florida 32533 >(850) 937.1850 | Fax (850) 937.1852 | Cell (850) 554.3231 >[email protected] > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael Fitz >Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:47 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: walk in Ovens > >Try NFPA 86, section on Fire Protection. Occupancy is not a >consideration but if the product will burn and extend outside the furnace. > >Michael > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >Thomas Reinhardt >Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 8:27 AM >To: '[email protected]' >Subject: RE: walk in Ovens > >Occupancy should not be a factor. > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Greg McGahan >Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:21 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: walk in Ovens > >What about industrial ovens? The Engineer is saying that is they are >not occupied then he doesn't think sprinklers are warranted. > >Greg McGahan >Operations Manager > >Living Water Fire Protection >1160 McKenzie Road >P.O. Box 877 >Cantonment, Florida 32533 >(850) 937.1850 | Fax (850) 937.1852 | Cell (850) 554.3231 >[email protected] > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Church >Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:09 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: Walk in humidifier for bread company > >Sounds like you've nailed it- the parallel to a walk-in box is >valid, and protection is required regardless of temperature. > >glc > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >Thomas Reinhardt >Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:55 AM >To: '[email protected]' >Subject: Walk in humidifier for bread company > >Question for the forum. Found a business with a walk in humidifier. >No different than a walk in cooler or freezer. If I follow NFPA 13, >all areas to be sprinklered and the 4ft.rule.Ibelieve this must be >sprinklered.Any suggestions. 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