Remember for this building they are coming with probably a few thousand
gallons of water on board.  If the pump starts there should be minimal to
mop up with the on board water only.  If the pump doesn't start, well at
least they have some more water for the surround and drown operation.  I
think this isn't a big deal for fires in this building from the perspective
if they use on board water and all 15,000 gallons something else has gone
very wrong and the building is a total loss. Even if they come with only 500
gallons on board something ain't right if they use it all.  Don't follow the
red herring of life safety if the sprinklers don't work in the first few
minutes there isn't much anyone can do with that issue.  

What you should be concerned with is the building down the street that is
not sprinklered.  Or a car fire in the parking lot of this building.  What
happens when they use this water for that building?  They will if they can.
There's a can of worms.  They have a certain tactical discretion immunity if
they were to some how cause damage to your building while dealing with
another problem. Even if that included no water left and a fire starts in
your building.  

I'll admit it was done once on something I was involved with.  I raised an
objection but the owners rep who is very fire wise went along.  I sleep well
though, stats are on my side nothing will happen and it's recorded I
disagreed.     

Chris Cahill, P.E.
Fire Protection Engineer
Sentry Fire Protection, Inc.
 
763-658-4483
763-658-4921 fax
 
Email: [email protected]
 
Mail: P.O. Box 69
        Waverly, MN 55390
 
Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW
              Waverly, MN 55390

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd Williams
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 3:41 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: draft line from suction tank.

I am working on a project with a small pump and a buried suction 
tank. The design was based on sprinkler demand alone since there are 
no hydrant connections on the system. Now the local AHJ has come back 
and says he wants a draft line on the tank. The sprinkler system will 
take approximately 11000 gallons in the 15000 gallon tank. He claims 
he would only use it if the pump failed to start. Being this is a 
rural department in an area with no public water supply, I have a bit 
of a problem believing this. If I had to include a hose demand from a 
draft line on a tank, would the standard hose demand be practical? 
The building is all LH and the hose demands would be 100 gpm.

Todd G. Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
Stonington, Connecticut
www.fpdc.com
860.535.2080  
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