You are correct my ski-bumming amigo.   Because we're in seismic
country, the building code has long required an on-site auxiliary water
supply equal to 30 minutes of sprinkler demand.   Every large metro FD
(i.e. San Francisco, Sacramento, LA and San Diego) has had ordinance in
place for years that stretches the capacity to 30 minutes or more of
standpipe demand, or sprinklers with hose stream whichever is greater;
that's always been the standpipes in my experience.   So with two
standpipes, we store 21,500 usable gallons; for three risers it would be
30K, and so forth.   Since we already have to store a large amount of
water, the common practice has been to pour a cistern-like tank
monolithically with walls and or floors, and that generally is at the
lowest level of a parking basement on grade.  Not always, but usually on
grade.    It being a break tank, we then draft directly from the
reservoir using the pump discharge flange as the "flow test", based on
the pump rating exclusively (no NPSH).

Steve Leyton
Protection Design & Consulting
San Diego, CA




-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thom
McMahon
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 7:33 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: draft line from suction tank.

What I've heard from my SOCAL friends, is that they usually install the
storage in the parking garage as you suggest, but also put the pump down
there, eliminating the "Draft" issue. 
Am I describing this correctly Mr. Leyton?

Thom McMahon, SET
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
P.O. Box 882136
Steamboat Springs, CO 80488
Tel:  970-879-7952
Fax: 970-879-7926


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of R
Richardson
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 7:19 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: draft line from suction tank.



This issue came up here with respect to secondary water tanks required
for
high rise buildings in seismic zones.

There was significant resistance from the "building owner community" for
two
main reasons.

Firstly, there is a limit to how much negative draft is feasible, which
results in a prohibition of placing the tanks deep down in the
underground
parking, which is where the architects typically desire to locate the
tank.


The second reason for resistance is the fact that the tank requirement
is
based on the premise that a seismic event disabled the city water
supply.
The owners were not happy with the possibility that the emergency water
for
their fire sprinkler system (plus hose use) would be used for someone
else's
building, leaving their building now unprotected. 

We ended up not requiring the draft line.

Probably quite a bit different scenario than what you are involved in,
but
something to consider.

Rich Richardson
Seattle Fire Department


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