Great info, Thom. Thanks

At 05:15 PM 9/22/2009, you wrote:
>Todd:
>
>We do these all the time. The first thing to do is check with the Chief and
>see what his pumper is able to draft at the altitude of the tank. (Hale 1250
>GPM pump @ 7000 ASL drafts about 11'-0" with over 350 Hp connected) What
>connection they use for their hard line? Storz or NST and the size.
>
>This is another reason we use Xerxes tanks. SR20 load rated so the draft can
>rise up out of the tank and the engine could actually park on the tank  to
>draft.
>So let's say from the water line in the tank to finish grade is 8'-0" and
>the tank is 12'-0" dia. With 6'-0" of cover. Will it draft? Yes and it will
>continue to draft all the way to the bottom as long as they don't lose the
>draft below 11'-0".
>Here is the site for our Dry Hyd. Manual:
>http://steamboatsprings.net/sites/default/files/page/1420/dry_hydrant_manual
>.pdf
>
>Avoid Horz. Pipe in the draft. We typically see vertical to grade then a 90'
>storz or NST fitting. If you need to get away from the center of the tank
>two 45' ells one at grade and one at the connection height work.
>
>Ok so what he's saying is that this is an emergency back up to your pump.
>You don't need to ADD anything for additional hose allowance. Our Fire
>District, has about 25 similar tanks. They intend to use that water to
>supplement shuttle tenders if there is a fire nearby, or to use it for
>wildfires, besides as you have described. Since the tank is located on
>private property, I suggest that the FDP get a use agreement with the owner.
>Ours includes the FDP refilling the tank after use within 24 Hrs, and if the
>tank is used for potable water that that refill be done by a water service
>with FDA approve tankers, or if it's well supplied that the district repay
>$X.XX per gallon used.
>
>Thom McMahon, SET
>Firetech, Inc.
>2560 Copper Ridge Dr
>P.O. Box 882136
>Steamboat Springs, CO 80488
>Tel:  970-879-7952
>Fax: 970-879-7926
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected]
>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd Williams
>Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 2:41 PM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: draft line from suction tank.
>
>I am working on a project with a small pump and a buried suction tank. The
>design was based on sprinkler demand alone since there are no hydrant
>connections on the system. Now the local AHJ has come back and says he wants
>a draft line on the tank. The sprinkler system will take approximately 11000
>gallons in the 15000 gallon tank. He claims he would only use it if the pump
>failed to start. Being this is a rural department in an area with no public
>water supply, I have a bit of a problem believing this. If I had to include
>a hose demand from a draft line on a tank, would the standard hose demand be
>practical?
>The building is all LH and the hose demands would be 100 gpm.
>
>Todd G. Williams, PE
>Fire Protection Design/Consulting
>Stonington, Connecticut
>www.fpdc.com
>860.535.2080
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Fire Protection Design/Consulting
Stonington, Connecticut
www.fpdc.com
860.535.2080  
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