I'll admit the WS head listing might have changed since last I read it but
last edition doors or other openings wouldn't fly.   First off with a glass
door you have an air gap around the door.  Perhaps one could put a hard
rated door in.  But again I don't think openings are permitted of any type.


Chris Cahill, P.E.
Fire Protection Engineer
Sentry Fire Protection, Inc.
 
763-658-4483
763-658-4921 fax
 
Email: [email protected]
 
Mail: P.O. Box 69
        Waverly, MN 55390
 
Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW
              Waverly, MN 55390

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
[email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 4:16 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Water curtains for windows

According to it's listing it provides the equivalent to a 2 hour separation
when used on glass windows.  If you had a glass door in the wall it wouldn't
be any different than the rest of the wall.  The sprinkler has very specific
installation guidelines in order to meet the listing.  Tyco Model WS.


Craig L. Prahl, CET   
Fire Protection Specialist
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
[email protected]
http://www.ch2m.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Autry, David
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 5:06 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Water curtains for windows

So you're telling me that there is a sprinkler that can replace a 2-hour
fire-rated door?

David Autry
Plans Examiner
Nebraska State Fire Marshal's Office
246 S. 14th Street
Lincoln, NE 68508
402-471-9659
402-471-3118 fax
www.sfm.ne.gov
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
[email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 4:03 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Water curtains for windows

It's within NFPA 13 and there is a specific sprinkler designed and approved
which is reported to provide equivalency of a 2 hour separation according to
its listing.   

We've trod this ground before, it's doable and permitted by published Codes
and Standards.  


Craig L. Prahl, CET   
Fire Protection Specialist
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
[email protected]
http://www.ch2m.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Autry, David
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 4:58 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Water curtains for windows

Somewhere, somehow, somebody told some architects and engineers that they
can use water curtains in lieu of fire-rated construction. 

David Autry
Plans Examiner
Nebraska State Fire Marshal's Office
246 S. 14th Street
Lincoln, NE 68508
402-471-9659
402-471-3118 fax
www.sfm.ne.gov
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jerry
Costello
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 3:48 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Water curtains for windows

We have found that on occasion the arch will get a building modification to
utilize sprinklers in lieu of a particular "fire rating" at a window wood
panel etc... Normally the modification is quite specific as to one side or
both. We have in these cases always used the 6' spacing rules for water
curtain. 


Jerry M Costello set
Advance Fire Protection
Ph 714-526-2231  Fax 562-691-5482

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Cahill
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 1:17 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Water curtains for windows

Now I'm curious.  What did you find?  I didn't think there was anything
about glass in 13.  What Tim referenced is for vertical openings.  Not
applicable to glass walls. 

There is some stuff in the atrium section of IBC but that's very specific to
atriums and wouldn't apply to other openings. 

Chris Cahill, P.E.
Fire Protection Engineer
Sentry Fire Protection, Inc.
 
763-658-4483
763-658-4921 fax
 
Email: [email protected]
 
Mail: P.O. Box 69
        Waverly, MN 55390
 
Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW
              Waverly, MN 55390

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bobby Gillett
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 2:51 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Water curtains for windows

Nevermind, we found it. Sorry about that...after all it is one of those
days.

Bobby Gillett
Sr. Project Manager
Key Fire Protection, Inc.
(731) 424-0130 office  (731) 424-9285 fax
(731) 267-4853 cell
[email protected]
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bobby Gillett
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 2:49 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Water curtains for windows

It's one of those days. We have a job calling for a water curtain
(sprinklers on both sides of a window), Where is the direction from NFPA for
this? I know TYCO makes a window sprinkler, but isn't there direction for
standard sprinklers in NFPA somewhere? 

 

Thank You,

 

Bobby Gillett

Sr. Project Manager

Key Fire Protection, Inc.

(731) 424-0130 office  (731) 424-9285 fax 

(731) 267-4853 cell

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