Not sure where the confusion lies but protection of glazing is mentioned in 13 
in quite a few places for different applications.  Some don't appear until 2007 
edition though so for those on 2002, you won't see the same things.  But there 
are specific criteria's mentioned for exposure protection on glass.

The term "Equivalency" is used in the mfgrs description noted below:
----------------------------
"Design Criteria
The Model WS Window Sprinklers are listed by UL and C-UL,
and NYC Approved (MEA 335-01-E) for use as a "Specific
Application Window Sprinkler" and as open sprinklers for "Outside"
use. These sprinklers are also recognized by the International
Code Council Evaluation Service, Underwriters Laboratories
of Canada (ULC), and the Building Materials Evaluation
Commission (BMEC) for use in the Province of Ontario, Canada
as providing a two-hour equivalency for a fire separation assembly,
when installed in accordance with the NES Report (NER
516), ULC/ORD-C263.1 Appendix A, and BMEC Report (01-11-
263). 
------------------------------

So call it what you will or won't, does it really matter?  It's another option 
in the equation.

Craig L. Prahl, CET   
Fire Protection Specialist
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
[email protected]
http://www.ch2m.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Cahill [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 5:17 PM
To: Prahl, Craig/SPB
Subject: RE: Water curtains for windows

I agree with everything you said except the NFPA 13 part.  Our standard 13 is 
part of a Listing that comes out of the UL testing on rated walls not UL
199 heads. 

Oh and for semantics it's not an equivalency.  It's a listing just like x 
number of layer of sheetrock or whatever.  I do not need direct permission from 
an AHJ to use it.  Just like we don't need specific permission to use any other 
listed rated assembly.  Well as long as you follow the listing.
Deviate and now it's an equivalency.   

I'm sure what Dave is talking about is SSU/SSP proposed or doors I see now.
Will it work, of course.  A fire put out by sprinklers has a hard time burning 
through rated walls. 

Chris 

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
[email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 4:03 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Water curtains for windows

It's within NFPA 13 and there is a specific sprinkler designed and approved 
which is reported to provide equivalency of a 2 hour separation according to
its listing.   

We've trod this ground before, it's doable and permitted by published Codes and 
Standards.  


Craig L. Prahl, CET   
Fire Protection Specialist
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
[email protected]
http://www.ch2m.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Autry, David
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 4:58 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Water curtains for windows

Somewhere, somehow, somebody told some architects and engineers that they can 
use water curtains in lieu of fire-rated construction. 

David Autry
Plans Examiner
Nebraska State Fire Marshal's Office
246 S. 14th Street
Lincoln, NE 68508
402-471-9659
402-471-3118 fax
www.sfm.ne.gov
 
** Note new email address: [email protected]
 

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jerry Costello
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 3:48 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Water curtains for windows

We have found that on occasion the arch will get a building modification to 
utilize sprinklers in lieu of a particular "fire rating" at a window wood panel 
etc... Normally the modification is quite specific as to one side or both. We 
have in these cases always used the 6' spacing rules for water curtain. 


Jerry M Costello set
Advance Fire Protection
Ph 714-526-2231  Fax 562-691-5482

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Cahill
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 1:17 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Water curtains for windows

Now I'm curious.  What did you find?  I didn't think there was anything about 
glass in 13.  What Tim referenced is for vertical openings.  Not applicable to 
glass walls. 

There is some stuff in the atrium section of IBC but that's very specific to 
atriums and wouldn't apply to other openings. 

Chris Cahill, P.E.
Fire Protection Engineer
Sentry Fire Protection, Inc.
 
763-658-4483
763-658-4921 fax
 
Email: [email protected]
 
Mail: P.O. Box 69
        Waverly, MN 55390
 
Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW
              Waverly, MN 55390

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bobby Gillett
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 2:51 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Water curtains for windows

Nevermind, we found it. Sorry about that...after all it is one of those days.

Bobby Gillett
Sr. Project Manager
Key Fire Protection, Inc.
(731) 424-0130 office  (731) 424-9285 fax
(731) 267-4853 cell
[email protected]
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bobby Gillett
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 2:49 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Water curtains for windows

It's one of those days. We have a job calling for a water curtain (sprinklers 
on both sides of a window), Where is the direction from NFPA for this? I know 
TYCO makes a window sprinkler, but isn't there direction for standard 
sprinklers in NFPA somewhere? 

 

Thank You,

 

Bobby Gillett

Sr. Project Manager

Key Fire Protection, Inc.

(731) 424-0130 office  (731) 424-9285 fax 

(731) 267-4853 cell

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