It's a bit dated and on the electrical side but is related to
deficiencies that were found and not properly reported.

Oregon Man Faces 85 Counts of Recklessly Endangering Apartment Residents
in Lake Oswego
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/may192007/oswego_alarm_2_51907.php

I think they had another case that was very similar on the sprinkler
side with some other individual but I don't remember the details and
can't find the outcome of that situation.

David M. Smith, Assistant Fire Marshal
Vancouver Fire Department, Fire Marshal's Office
7110 NE 63rd Street 
Vancouver, WA 98661
360-487-7240 Phone/Fax
360-418-5619 Pager



-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Forest
Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:17 PM
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: Re: Reporting deficiencies to AHJ's EXAMPLEs


I have a meeting with Fire Officials tomorrow, and ask the following:

Has anyone found serious deficiencies during an NFPA 25 Inspection which
were not reported to the AHJ (because reporting was not required)?

Is anyone aware of deficiencies which were not reported AND contributed
to a property and/or life loss?

Please reply to forum or private email. Names will be witheld upon
request. 

This is for Fire Code Legislation.



Forest Wilson

Project Manager
Cherokee Fire Protection Co.
3195 Dayton Xenia Rd Ste 900
Dayton OH 45434

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>>>>>The IBC (2003) section 903.4 required electronic supervision and
does
not have an exception for locked or sealed. So if it is locked and
not supervised, you may meet NFPA requirements but not IBC. Now the
question comes up. If you are doing and NFPA 25 inspection, are you
just doing it to NFPA standards or to the local building/fire codes as
well?


The inspection is done per 25. Nothing in 13, IBC, or anything else
comes
into play. Which is why if I see a lock, I will green tag.
If I see nothing, and price the correction, I do so per ALL applicable
codes. My thinking is the later liability of pricing something that does
not
meet code. With the inspection, we are covered if we stay within the
guidelines of 25. But for corrections, I think it is a different matter.

R/
Matt

 
Matthew J. Willis, CET
Automatic Fire Sprinklers
Norred Fire Systems L.L.C.
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