When you are talking about homes of this value,why are they even considering 
anti-freeze ? It's not like they can't afford a dry pipe system.Just a thought.

Lamar V.


---- Jim Johnston <[email protected]> wrote: 
> This is a bad idea, pressure relief in lieu of expansion tank?  We have a
> community north of us that have weekend getaway homes that are all
> sprinklered including the garages and outside canopies where any fuel fired
> devices are.  A lot of these homes are done with antifreeze this in December
> this area had 2 weeks of single digits to -10, some of the antifreeze
> systems froze.  One contractor installed expansion tanks with pressure
> relief - they froze.  The relief valve did what is was supposed to, however
> it introduced water into the systems and diluted the mixture.  The low end
> of these homes are $1,000,000 the high end is $10,000,000+, problems like
> these just add fuel to the fire for our home builder opponents. 
> 
> Jim Johnston, P.E.
> Fire Protection Engineer
> Inland Fire Protection, Inc
> 1100 Ahtanum Road
> Yakima, WA 98903
> Phone 509-248-4471
> Fax 509-248-1180
> [email protected]
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thom McMahon [mailto:[email protected]] 
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:56 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Antifreeze Backflow Prevention
> 
> 2010 NFPA 13 allows the use of a "Pressure Relief valve in lieu of an
> expansion tank. (I guess the committee got tired of waiting for the price of
> those expensive expansion tanks to come down, and came up with an
> alternative.) But if you read 7.6.3.5 carefully all three conditions must be
> met. Pump, relief and make up.
> 
> Thom McMahon, SET
> Firetech, Inc.
> 2560 Copper Ridge Dr
> P.O. Box 882136
> Steamboat Springs, CO 80488
> Tel:  970-879-7952
> Fax: 970-879-7926
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 8:34 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Antifreeze Backflow Prevention
> 
> but require the expansion tank.
> 
> eld)
> 
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