Perhaps they're stand alone due to occupancy/zoning rules. Look at the occupancy separation and the sprinklers between the main part of a Costco and the place where they put your tires on.
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:26 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Certainly if someone is putting in a tire store it's game over, reset and > start again. You'll obviously be putting in new piping, riser, valve and such > so kind of an apples to oranges comparison in regards to the salon. Around > here I've never seen a tire store stuck in a strip shopping center, they are > always stand alone buildings due to height and storage requirements. > > > Craig L. Prahl, CET > Fire Protection Specialist > Mechanical Department > CH2MHILL > Lockwood Greene > 1500 International Drive > PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 > Direct - 864.599.4102 > Fax - 864.599.8439 > [email protected] > http://www.ch2m.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob Caputo > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:43 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Occupancy > > Craig, > > I didn't interpret the original post as describing a strip center however > while I agree with you in general (mostly that hair salons should be at least > an H-3 based as much on the smells as the heat release rate of patrons I've > witnessed exiting said establishments here in SoCal) but I've also seen some > pretty big tire stores in strip centers, so I'm not so sure the broad brush > of an M occupancy is appropriate in that case. > > bc > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:05 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Occupancy > > If this is a strip shopping center it's in the owner's best interest to treat > the entire shell as Mercantile and be done with it. That way any retail or > service type business can occupy the space. If you try to dissect the > categories of the occupants as to whether they may actually be a "B" or "M" > occupancy it will only create problems down the road when the "B"/LH beauty > shop moves out and the "M"/OH Granny's Knick-Knacks and Haberdashery goes > into the space. > > And yes, this is a Building Code issue, not an NFPA 13 issue. The NFPA part > is secondary to the BC issue. > > But if the system is existing, leave it alone. > > > But personally, shouldn't most beauty salons be considered an "H" occupancy > and protected with foam-water deluge systems, I mean look at the chemical > list, the smells make me think there are some serious toxics > involved.............. ;) > > > Craig L. Prahl, CET > Fire Protection Specialist > Mechanical Department > CH2MHILL > Lockwood Greene > 1500 International Drive > PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 > Direct - 864.599.4102 > Fax - 864.599.8439 > [email protected] > http://www.ch2m.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob Caputo > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 3:44 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Occupancy > > In my opinion, the question isn't directly an NFPA 13 issue but rather > Building and Fire Code issues in terms of occupancy and allowable amounts of > chemical or hazardous materials within a control area. Normally, the code > exempts (to a degree) mercantile occupancies where products containing > flammables, combustibles or hazardous materials (irritants, toxics, > carcinogens, etc) are stored in the same containers they are sold in. > That's why Costco, Sams, BJ's and similar can store more vegetable oils in > quantity than a manufacturing or storage use building could have in storage > of a product with the same flash point. > > That said, at some point in the process of analysis someone has to decide > what the corresponding NFPA 13 occupancy use group or commodity and storage > arrangement is, so sprinkler design criteria can be established... I > suggest this is a job for a consultant or an engineer of record - not the > contractor. (again - just stating my opinion) > > > Bob Caputo, CFPS, CET > 657 Cantara Lane - Vista, CA 92081 > > Fire & Life Safety America Company > 3017 Vernon Rd - Richmond, VA 23228 > Office: (804) 222-1381 Cell: (804) 263-1577 > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Keith Pepin > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:23 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Occupancy > > I am working on a project that doesn't have an Eng of Record. The building > contains large individual shell spaces. The original sprinkler system was > designed for a mercantile occupancy. A tenant has purchased a couple of > spaces and is opening a beauty/hair salon. I don't see the fuel load as a > normal mercantile occupancy would have. Light or ord. 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