Perhaps they're stand alone due to occupancy/zoning rules. Look at the
occupancy separation and the sprinklers between the main part of a
Costco and the place where they put your tires on.

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:26 AM,  <[email protected]> wrote:
> Certainly if someone is putting in a tire store it's game over, reset and 
> start again. You'll obviously be putting in new piping, riser, valve and such 
> so kind of an apples to oranges comparison in regards to the salon.  Around 
> here I've never seen a tire store stuck in a strip shopping center, they are 
> always stand alone buildings due to height and storage requirements.
>
>
> Craig L. Prahl, CET
> Fire Protection Specialist
> Mechanical Department
> CH2MHILL
> Lockwood Greene
> 1500 International Drive
> PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
> Direct - 864.599.4102
> Fax - 864.599.8439
> [email protected]
> http://www.ch2m.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] 
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob Caputo
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:43 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Occupancy
>
> Craig,
>
> I didn't interpret the original post as describing a strip center however 
> while I agree with you in general (mostly that hair salons should be at least 
> an H-3 based as much on the smells as the heat release rate of patrons I've 
> witnessed exiting said establishments here in SoCal) but I've also seen some 
> pretty big tire stores in strip centers, so I'm not so sure the broad brush 
> of an M occupancy is appropriate in that case.
>
> bc
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
> [email protected]
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:05 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Occupancy
>
> If this is a strip shopping center it's in the owner's best interest to treat 
> the entire shell as Mercantile and be done with it.  That way any retail or 
> service type business can occupy the space.  If you try to dissect the 
> categories of the occupants as to whether they may actually be a "B" or "M" 
> occupancy it will only create problems down the road when the "B"/LH beauty 
> shop moves out and the "M"/OH Granny's Knick-Knacks and Haberdashery goes 
> into the space.
>
> And yes, this is a Building Code issue, not an NFPA 13 issue.  The NFPA part 
> is secondary to the BC issue.
>
> But if the system is existing, leave it alone.
>
>
> But personally, shouldn't most beauty salons be considered an "H" occupancy 
> and protected with foam-water deluge systems, I mean look at the chemical 
> list, the smells make me think there are some serious toxics 
> involved..............  ;)
>
>
> Craig L. Prahl, CET
> Fire Protection Specialist
> Mechanical Department
> CH2MHILL
> Lockwood Greene
> 1500 International Drive
> PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
> Direct - 864.599.4102
> Fax - 864.599.8439
> [email protected]
> http://www.ch2m.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob Caputo
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 3:44 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Occupancy
>
> In my opinion, the question isn't directly an NFPA 13 issue but rather 
> Building and Fire Code issues in terms of occupancy and allowable amounts of 
> chemical or hazardous materials within a control area.  Normally, the code 
> exempts (to a degree) mercantile occupancies where products containing 
> flammables, combustibles or hazardous materials (irritants, toxics, 
> carcinogens, etc) are stored in the same containers they are sold in.
> That's why Costco, Sams, BJ's and similar can store more vegetable oils in 
> quantity than a manufacturing or storage use building could have in storage 
> of a product with the same flash point.
>
> That said, at some point in the process of analysis  someone has to decide 
> what the corresponding NFPA 13 occupancy use group or commodity and storage
> arrangement is, so sprinkler design criteria can be established...   I
> suggest this is a job for a consultant or an engineer of record - not the 
> contractor.  (again - just stating my opinion)
>
>
> Bob Caputo, CFPS, CET
> 657 Cantara Lane - Vista, CA 92081
>
> Fire & Life Safety America Company
> 3017 Vernon Rd - Richmond, VA 23228
> Office: (804) 222-1381  Cell: (804) 263-1577
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Keith Pepin
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:23 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Occupancy
>
> I am working on a project that doesn't have an Eng of Record. The building 
> contains large individual shell spaces. The original sprinkler system was 
> designed for a mercantile occupancy. A tenant has purchased a couple of 
> spaces and is opening a beauty/hair salon. I don't see the fuel load as a 
> normal mercantile occupancy would have. Light or ord. Please comment.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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