That's funny Craig. On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 2:42 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Ken, Ken, Ken, when will you learn. You have obviously not had the extensive > training that Greg's EOR has from the Potter Website. > > > Craig L. Prahl, CET > Fire Protection Specialist > Mechanical Department > CH2MHILL > Lockwood Greene > 1500 International Drive > PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 > Direct - 864.599.4102 > Fax - 864.599.8439 > [email protected] > http://www.ch2m.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > ParsleyConsulting > Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 5:38 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: pull stations > > Greg, > > Call him back and read him this paragraph, and ask him to explain in his > drilled training what it means: > > 1.2.1 The purpose of this standard shall be to provide a reasonable degree of > protection for life and property from fire through standardization of design, > installation, and testing requirements for sprinkler systems, including > private fire service mains, based on sound engineering principles, test data, > and field experience > > Of course, from the 2007 NFPA-13. > > Curious how life safety is first in NFPA-13, isn't it? > > Once again, out on that limb and furiously sawing behind himself. > -- > PARSLEY CONSULTING > Ken Wagoner, SET > 760.745.6181 voice > 760.745.0537 fax > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> e-mail > www.ParsleyConsulting.com <http://www.ParsleyConsulting.com> website > > > > > Greg McGahan wrote: >> EOR just called me again, and I quote: >> >> "Fire alarms are life safety and supposed to go off way before the >> sprinklers activate. Sprinklers are for property protection and not life >> safety. This has been drilled in to me through training" >> >> He said the fact that the Potter website references NFPA #72 stating that >> failure of the (releasing panel) shall not impair the operation of the >> sprinkler system proves that.....(I don't get that either) >> >> Well now I know, and here I have been thinking that what I do is important. >> >> But the pull station/releasing device problem is solved at least. >> >> Greg McGahan >> >> Living Water Fire Protection >> (850) 937.1850 | Fax (850) 937.1852 | Cell (850) 554.3231 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Greg McGahan >> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 1:51 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: pull stations >> >> No, that would be too simple.... I am the contractor and the EOR is saying >> it in is in our scope of work, no big deal. The issue is that he didn't want >> the "releasing devices" tied into the alarm system and wanted them installed >> in accordance with NFPA #13. The "RD" specified by the AHJ to be electric >> (this is the AHJ's brainchild/requirement) and that it should electrically >> release the solenoid on the Preaction valve. He said NFPA #72 doesn't apply >> to the "RD's". >> >> I said no way. BTW, the AHJ said no way as well. He wants the "Pull >> Stations" monitored for integrity, so if there is a bad wire, etc they get a >> trouble signal. >> >> Greg McGahan >> >> Living Water Fire Protection >> (850) 937.1850 | Fax (850) 937.1852 | Cell (850) 554.3231 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Forest Wilson >> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:32 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: pull stations >> >> I would suspect the problem is the EOR may be telling the sprinkler >> contractor it is his scope of work, not the alarm contractor scope of work. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> [email protected] >> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 11:22 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: pull stations >> >> Ok, so is there a problem with his definition? By NFPA 72 definition a >> pull station is an initiating device. Its actuation initiates a response. >> So in the case of the preaction system it is an initiating device since it >> initiates opening of the PA valve. >> >> Whatever it's called, whether it be pull station or releasing device is >> pretty much irrelevant. >> >> >> Craig L. Prahl, CET >> Fire Protection Specialist >> Mechanical Department >> CH2MHILL >> Lockwood Greene >> 1500 International Drive >> PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 >> Direct - 864.599.4102 >> Fax - 864.599.8439 >> [email protected] >> http://www.ch2m.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Greg McGahan >> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 11:03 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: pull stations >> >> Got an engineer telling me that a "pull station" wired to a non-interlock >> pre-action system is NOT an alarm device and is part of the sprinkler system >> per NFPA #13. He is calling it a releasing device and not a "pull station" >> by definition. >> >> ???thoughts? >> >> Greg McGahan >> >> Living Water Fire Protection >> (850) 937.1850 | Fax (850) 937.1852 | Cell (850) 554.3231 >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> >> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> >> To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> >> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> >> To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> >> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> >> To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> >> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> >> To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> >> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> >> To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >
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