""And where in 25 does it say I have to prove anything?""
NFPA 25 (2002, Edition) 12.6.2.2 All backflow devices installed in fire protection water supply shall be tested annually at the designed flow rate of the fire protection system, including required hose stream demands. Somehow you need to "prove" that you're flowing the required demand. I'm pretty sure the only to do that is measure the flow. David Autry Plans Examiner Nebraska State Fire Marshal's Office 246 S. 14th Street Lincoln, NE 68508 402-471-9659 402-471-3118 fax www.sfm.ne.gov ** Note new email address: [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 11:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: DCVA test connection First I haven't seen any definitive consensus as to what needs to be flowed: A flow sufficient to fully raise both checks off their seats or a flow sufficient to raise the checks enough to meet the calculated flow or a flow sufficient to substantially raise the checks. And if the first two how do I know I've done either? And where in 25 does it say I have to prove anything? I contend that the reason for this rule originates from the days when we first were required to install backflows on sprinklers the available models were weighted swing checks. At that time there either was a real or perceived fear that these types of check valves might not operate properly after long periods of inactivity. I would also suggest that main drain flows should be sufficient to demonstrate an operational valve set. This begs the question then that why would the committee require a separate test and the answer might be that the requirement is added separately to define the need to separately record each part of the test, i.e.: the water supply as measured through the main drain displays properties consistent with, or inconsistent with the last test, and that the backflow appears to be operating properly or not. There is no place in 25 where anything else is required to be calculated and without measuring instruments and calculations it is impossible to determine a given flow. On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 7:57 PM, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > In many cases one hose is enough for the flow needed > > Forest Wilson > Cherokee Fire > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "tom poisal" <[email protected]> > Date: Mon, May 10, 2010 8:01 PM > Subject: DCVA test connection > To: <[email protected]> > > Just a question, what happens after you have reversed the check valve > or removed the clapper; when the water hits the clapper (or dual > clappers) in the F.D.C. as you'll still only get a flow from one 2 1/2 > outlet on the former and the latter - stoppage ? so then just remove > the clappers? > > -- > Tom Poisal, CET > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Bates Technical College Tacoma, WA Member: AFT WA 4184/AFL-CIO, SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA AFAA, NIBS, WSAFM, WFC _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
