And in the State of Oregon, back flow testing is a licensed profession, with 
another separate license for repairs.

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From: "Autry, David" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 6:03 AM
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: DCVA test connection

> ""And where in 25 does it
> say I have to prove anything?""
>
>
> NFPA 25 (2002, Edition) 12.6.2.2
> All backflow devices installed in fire protection water supply shall be 
> tested annually at the designed flow rate of the fire protection system, 
> including required hose stream demands.
>
> Somehow you need to "prove" that you're flowing the required demand. I'm 
> pretty sure the only to do that is measure the flow.
>
>
> David Autry
> Plans Examiner
> Nebraska State Fire Marshal's Office
> 246 S. 14th Street
> Lincoln, NE 68508
> 402-471-9659
> 402-471-3118 fax
> www.sfm.ne.gov
>
> ** Note new email address: [email protected]
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] 
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron 
> Greenman
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 11:17 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: DCVA test connection
>
> First I haven't seen any definitive consensus as to what needs to be
> flowed: A flow sufficient to fully raise both checks off their seats
> or a flow sufficient to raise the checks enough to meet the calculated
> flow or a flow sufficient to substantially raise the checks. And if
> the first two how do I know I've done either? And where in 25 does it
> say I have to prove anything? I contend that the reason for this rule
> originates from the days when we first were required to install
> backflows on sprinklers the available models were weighted swing
> checks. At that time there either was a real or perceived fear that
> these types of check valves might not operate properly after long
> periods of inactivity. I would also suggest that main drain flows
> should be sufficient to demonstrate an operational valve set. This
> begs the question then that why would the committee require a separate
> test and the answer might be that the requirement is added separately
> to define the need to separately record each part of the test, i.e.:
> the water supply as measured through the main drain displays
> properties consistent with, or inconsistent with the last test, and
> that the backflow appears to be operating properly or not. There is no
> place in 25 where anything else is required to be calculated and
> without measuring instruments and calculations it is impossible to
> determine a given flow.
>
> On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 7:57 PM, [email protected]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> In many cases one hose is enough for the flow needed
>>
>> Forest Wilson
>> Cherokee Fire
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>>
>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "tom poisal" <[email protected]>
>> Date: Mon, May 10, 2010 8:01 PM
>> Subject: DCVA test connection
>> To: <[email protected]>
>>
>> Just a question, what happens after you have reversed the check valve
>> or removed the clapper; when the water hits the clapper (or dual
>> clappers) in the F.D.C. as you'll still only get a flow from one 2 1/2
>> outlet on the former and the latter - stoppage ? so then just remove
>> the clappers?
>>
>> --
>> Tom Poisal, CET
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>
>
>
> -- 
> Ron Greenman
> Instructor
> Fire Protection Engineering
> Bates Technical College
> Tacoma, WA
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