David, Some of us geriatrics remember that event quite well, perhaps because of the spectacle the subsequent trial turned into. If my senility hasn't hit quite completely, my memory is that Chet Schirmer testified at some length that fire sprinklers would not have made any difference, and he was equally opposed in his testimony by Rolf Jensen who claimed that they would have. From the small fraction of the testimony I read it was quite a show. Seems to me the argument spilled over into some heavy acrimony during the next couple of cycles of NFPA-13 committee meetings, as both men were members, and if I'm correct, I think Chet was the chairman.
And, although I'm not quite old enough to remember this, the NFPA journal had a long article a few years back on the Coconut Grove nightclub fire up in Boston in '44 (I think). One of the issues in that fire, according to the article, was the highly flammable paper decorative material over the booths along the walls, which was made to look like a thatched roof. That was not the cause of the fire, by any means, but it did contribute significantly to what happened, and the tragic loss of life. -- PARSLEY CONSULTING Ken Wagoner, SET 760.745.6181 voice 760.745.0537 fax [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> e-mail www.ParsleyConsulting.com <http://www.ParsleyConsulting.com> website David de Vries wrote: > You younger guys may not remember a rather important historical event > involving a haunted house in NJ in the 1970's. The place was not sprinklered > and several (like 5 or 6) teenagers died in the fire. The place was loaded > with foam plastics and the fire spread too quickly for them to ffind the exit > in the dark and twisted corridors. Thus followed all the requirements for > special amusement buildings. > > Dave, look at the configuration, materials of construction and decoration, > heights, etc. I would recommend at least OH1 and QR throughout the assembly > area. Storage, mechanical, etc. at least OH2. > > Also, Dave, look closely at the lighting and exit signage reqs in 101. > > Dave > > David A. de Vries, P.E., CSP > Firetech Engineering Incorporated > > > > > --- On Tue, 7/13/10, Todd Williams <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: Todd Williams <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Haunted House > To: [email protected] > Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 6:35 PM > > > I've only done one and I based it on OH2. One of the caveats was that > it could not be used as a for storage other than for items that are > part of the display. > > > At 05:23 PM 7/13/2010, you wrote: > >> Assembly would fall under Light Hazard (seems lite to me) but like a church >> or auditorium your good at L H, did a amusement park in Glen Echo's MD and >> everything was GP I plus mech areas GP II, personally I'd dither, that is if >> you have the water design to GP I and show it as LT hazard with a large >> safety factor, sleep well at night. >> >> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Autry, David >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >> >>> Okay, agreed, it's an assembly occupancy/special amusement. >>> >>> What NFPA 13 occupancy/hazard would it be? >>> >>> >>> >>> David Autry >>> Plans Examiner >>> Nebraska State Fire Marshal's Office >>> 246 S. 14th Street >>> Lincoln, NE 68508 >>> 402-471-9659 >>> 402-471-3118 fax >>> www.sfm.ne.gov >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >>> >>> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >>> >>> To Unsubscribe, send an email >>> >> to:[email protected]<to%[email protected]> >> >>> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Tom Poisal, CET >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> >> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> >> To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >> > > Todd G. Williams, PE > Fire Protection Design/Consulting > Stonington, CT > 860.535.2080 > www.fpdc.com > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
