David,

Some of us geriatrics remember that event quite well, perhaps because of 
the spectacle the subsequent trial turned into.  If my senility hasn't 
hit quite completely, my memory is that Chet Schirmer testified at some 
length that fire sprinklers would not have made any difference, and he 
was equally opposed in his testimony by Rolf Jensen who claimed that 
they would have. From the small fraction of the testimony I read it was 
quite a show.  Seems to me the argument spilled over into some heavy 
acrimony during the next couple of cycles of NFPA-13 committee meetings, 
as both men were members, and if I'm correct, I think Chet was the chairman.

And, although I'm not quite old enough to remember this, the NFPA 
journal had a long article a few years back on the Coconut Grove 
nightclub fire up in Boston in '44 (I think).  One of the issues in that 
fire, according to the article, was the highly flammable paper 
decorative material over the booths along the walls, which was made to 
look like a thatched roof.  That was not the cause of the fire, by any 
means, but it did contribute significantly to what happened, and the 
tragic loss of life.
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David de Vries wrote:
> You younger guys may not remember a rather important historical event 
> involving a haunted house in NJ in the 1970's.  The place was not sprinklered 
> and several (like 5 or 6) teenagers died in the fire.  The place was loaded 
> with foam plastics and the fire spread too quickly for them to ffind the exit 
> in the dark and twisted corridors.  Thus followed all the requirements for 
> special amusement buildings.
>  
> Dave, look at the configuration, materials of construction and decoration, 
> heights, etc.  I would recommend at least OH1 and QR throughout the assembly 
> area.  Storage, mechanical, etc. at least OH2.
>  
> Also, Dave, look closely at the lighting and exit signage reqs in 101.
>
> Dave 
>
> David A. de Vries, P.E., CSP 
> Firetech Engineering Incorporated 
>
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 7/13/10, Todd Williams <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> From: Todd Williams <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Haunted House
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 6:35 PM
>
>
> I've only done one and I based it on OH2. One of the caveats was that 
> it could not be used as a for storage other than for items that are 
> part of the display.
>
>
> At 05:23 PM 7/13/2010, you wrote:
>   
>> Assembly would fall under Light Hazard (seems lite to me) but like a church
>> or auditorium your good at L H, did a amusement park in Glen Echo's MD and
>> everything was GP I plus mech areas GP II, personally I'd dither, that is if
>> you have the water design to GP I and show it as LT hazard with a large
>> safety factor, sleep well at night.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Autry, David 
>> <[email protected]>wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Okay, agreed, it's an assembly occupancy/special amusement.
>>>
>>> What NFPA 13 occupancy/hazard would it be?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> David Autry
>>> Plans Examiner
>>> Nebraska State Fire Marshal's Office
>>> 246 S. 14th Street
>>> Lincoln, NE 68508
>>> 402-471-9659
>>> 402-471-3118 fax
>>> www.sfm.ne.gov
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