Brad, Yes I believe improper maintenance caused a trip which resulted in system being full and freezing. One valve scares me because of the increased possibility of tripping. Feel free to call me on my cell shown below if you have questions or need additional info.
Top Myers RelMark Group 961 Pottstown Pike Chester Springs, PA 19425 610-321-2415 X-219 Cell 610-952-0965 www.relmarkgroup.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brad Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 10:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Drum Drip- why 2 valves? Top, if it is not proprietary, could you let me know if one valve logic was the cause? I should have been specific with the question, and could have been because the project is detail design for an architect, not shop drawing for a contractor. I like the muscle car drum drip of 1961 since I saw a picture, but imagine a parking structure with an immense glass atrium and monumental stair case leading to a fine arts theater-- if golf cart drum drips work, this would be the place to use them. No piping below the bottom of the beams, every beam sleeved at mid span and mid stem, long mains- this means about 6 drum drips per main. Instead of dropping out of the main, running across the drive lane and dropping down to an eye-sore, I thought one valve to a 4x0-3 'welded drum' and a plug in the bottom plate. A bottom valve would end up below the plane of the BOB. The space is nearly temperature controlled and attended enough to keep the homeless moving. If you painted these things different colors, the patrons would think you hung ornaments to celebrate the opening of the latest play. Thank you and everyone for the great feedback- and Cecil to save 2000 extra e-mails, thanks for the floor control check valve education. -----Original Message----- From: Top Myers [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:38 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Drum Drip- why 2 valves? Looks like there could be a lot of tripped dry systems if we do not follow correct procedure. I am out in New Mexico today on a dry system freeze up causing a million in damage that was probably caused by one valve logic by a maintenance person who was trained but could of easily taken a short cut such as one valve. Top Myers RelMark Group 961 Pottstown Pike Chester Springs, PA 19425 610-321-2415 X-219 Cell 610-952-0965 www.relmarkgroup.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard Mote Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 12:31 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Drum Drip- why 2 valves? 30 gallon drum welded to a hand truck with a hose bib welded toward the bottom so we could run a hose to the nearest floor drain. These building were mostly open to the elements so they had a lot of floor drains. Richard L. Mote ET Designeer Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Byron Blake Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 12:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Drum Drip- why 2 valves? Open, close, open, close, open, close dump 5 gallon bucket open close open close open close dump 5 gallon bucket open close open close open close dump 5 gallon bucket. Byron -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bobby Gillett" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:59 To: <[email protected]> Subject: RE: Drum Drip- why 2 valves? > Not only will the drum have initial system pressure on it when removing > the > plug - even after the top valve is closed, but you may have an instance > where you have to alternate opening and closing the valves more than one > time if there is more condensate/water than will fit in drum at that time. > > Bobby Gillett > Sr. Project Manager > Key Fire Protection, Inc. > (731) 424-0130 office (731) 424-9285 fax > (731) 267-4853 cell > [email protected] > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike > Hairfield > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:50 AM > To: AFSA SprinklerFORUM > Subject: RE: Drum Drip- why 2 valves? > > > Too many Rookies on here!!!!! > > > > It's also called a condensate nipple and you use both valves when draining > off the > > water by removing the plug, leave the bottom valve shut, open the top > valve > > let the water drain into it, shut the top valve and then drain off the > water. > > > > Keep doing this until there is no longer any water in the condensate > nipple > (drum drip) > > > > Mike > >> Subject: RE: Drum Drip- why 2 valves? >> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 10:43:51 -0500 >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected]; [email protected] >> >> Brad, >> >> If the container is plugged and the top valve open, it is exposed to >> system pressure which could be anything from 10 to 50 psi. That plug >> would be under that pressure and pose a dangerous removal. >> >> Regards, >> >> Tim Frankenberg >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brad >> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:38 AM >> To: [email protected]; 'Sprinklerforum' >> Subject: RE: Drum Drip- why 2 valves? >> >> But with the top valve closed, there is no system pressure. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:35 AM >> To: Sprinklerforum; [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Drum Drip- why 2 valves? >> >> Limit the volume trapped when you pull the plug. WIth out it, it makes >> mess >> and can be dangerous if the system has high pressure for some reason. >> Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "Brad" <[email protected]> >> Sender: [email protected] >> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 10:27:40 >> To: <[email protected]> >> Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected] >> Subject: Drum Drip- why 2 valves? >> >> Why is the 'bottom' valve req'd? The 'top' valve is normally open-- >> close >> it, remove the plug, drain the drum, replace the plug, open the valve. >> >> Is there some practical reason for the bottom valve? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> >> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> >> To Unsubscribe, send an email >> to:[email protected] >> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> >> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> >> To Unsubscribe, send an email >> to:[email protected] >> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> >> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> >> To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3002 - Release Date: 07/13/10 > 01:36:00 > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
