and the condensate nipple collects the condensate, so the top valve stays
open to allow it in there- and sometimes there's a little AF in the bottom
of the drum drip so whats in there doesn't freeze- so make sure UH in area
are tagged out when draining.

two valves means you don;t need to shut down the system- this isn't rocket
science. 

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard Mote
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 12:35 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Drum Drip- why 2 valves?

30 gallon drum welded to a hand truck with a hose bib welded toward the
bottom so we could run a hose to the nearest floor drain. These building
were mostly open to the elements so they had a lot of floor drains. 

Richard L. Mote ET
Designeer
Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Byron Blake
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 12:13 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Drum Drip- why 2 valves?

Open, close, open, close, open, close dump 5 gallon bucket open close open
close open close dump 5 gallon bucket open close open close open close dump
5 gallon bucket.

Byron


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From: "Bobby Gillett" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:59
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: Drum Drip- why 2 valves?

> Not only will the drum have initial system pressure on it when 
> removing the plug - even after the top valve is closed, but you may 
> have an instance where you have to alternate opening and closing the 
> valves more than one time if there is more condensate/water than will 
> fit in drum at that time.
>
> Bobby Gillett
> Sr. Project Manager
> Key Fire Protection, Inc.
> (731) 424-0130 office  (731) 424-9285 fax
> (731) 267-4853 cell
> [email protected]
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike 
> Hairfield
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:50 AM
> To: AFSA SprinklerFORUM
> Subject: RE: Drum Drip- why 2 valves?
>
>
> Too many Rookies on here!!!!!
>
>
>
> It's also called a condensate nipple and you use both valves when 
> draining off the
>
> water by removing the plug, leave the bottom valve shut, open the top 
> valve
>
> let the water drain into it, shut the top valve and then drain off the 
> water.
>
>
>
> Keep doing this until there is no longer any water in the condensate 
> nipple (drum drip)
>
>
>
> Mike
>
>> Subject: RE: Drum Drip- why 2 valves?
>> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 10:43:51 -0500
>> From: [email protected]
>> To: [email protected]; [email protected]
>>
>> Brad,
>>
>> If the container is plugged and the top valve open, it is exposed to
>> system pressure which could be anything from 10 to 50 psi. That plug
>> would be under that pressure and pose a dangerous removal.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Tim Frankenberg
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brad
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:38 AM
>> To: [email protected]; 'Sprinklerforum'
>> Subject: RE: Drum Drip- why 2 valves?
>>
>> But with the top valve closed, there is no system pressure.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:35 AM
>> To: Sprinklerforum; [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: Drum Drip- why 2 valves?
>>
>> Limit the volume trapped when you pull the plug. WIth out it, it makes
>> mess
>> and can be dangerous if the system has high pressure for some reason.
>> Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Brad" <[email protected]>
>> Sender: [email protected]
>> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 10:27:40
>> To: <[email protected]>
>> Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected]
>> Subject: Drum Drip- why 2 valves?
>>
>> Why is the 'bottom' valve req'd? The 'top' valve is normally open--
>> close
>> it, remove the plug, drain the drum, replace the plug, open the valve.
>>
>> Is there some practical reason for the bottom valve?
>>
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