Ken, You're absolutely right, and that's the thought I was operating under. You can't cherry pick this stuff. I would only use this if the project was being done for an FM insured customer, where you would have to follow their other specifications anyway.
Benjamin Young On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 1:59 PM, ParsleyConsulting < [email protected]> wrote: > Ben, > > While the research and testing done by FM Global does support their > approaches to protection methods, it has to be a complete package, including > their requirements for construction, seismic, sprinkler system installation, > finishes, and so forth. > > A very wise man from FM Global told me a short time ago that they're seeing > more and more systems designed to follow the sprinkler discharge and > pressure requirements from their storage data sheet (8-9), while completely > ignoring the caveat at the beginning of that document which references all > the other data sheets. The words he used were that it was a "total package" > and it wasn't applicable if only one portion of it were selected and > followed while the others were ignored. > > Just my experience. > > PARSLEY CONSULTING > > Ken Wagoner, SET > > 760.745.6181 voice > > 760.745.0537 fax > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>e-mail > > www.ParsleyConsulting.com <http://www.ParsleyConsulting.com>website > > > > > On 2/23/2011 9:09 AM, Ben Young wrote: > >> They can follow it using adopted codes, though. NFPA 13, 2007 edition, >> 1.5 >> "Nothing in this standard is intended to prevent the use of systems, >> methods, or devices of equivalent or superior quality, strength, fire >> resistance, effectiveness, durability, and safety over those prescribed by >> this standard. Technical documentation shall be submitted to the >> authority >> having jurisdiction to demonstrate equivalency. The system, method, or >> device shall be approved for the intended purpose by the authority having >> jurisdiction." >> >> Boom, submit the FM design regulations under the equivalency clause. I >> think that most fire marshal's would be hard pressed to ignore or claim >> that >> FM didn't do their due diligence and research on their methods. >> >> This way you only have to submit one layout and satisfy the FM >> requirements, >> and those of the AHJ. >> >> Benjamin Young >> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:33 AM,<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> When there is no code reference to a subject I agree that the AHJ's in >>> most >>> cases will defer to a recognized industry standard. BUT, when they have >>> a >>> CODE, adopted by their jurisdiction which gives a clear direction, good >>> luck >>> swaying someone to go a different route. We all know how it works but a >>> local govt official, is in most cases going to stick to the book he's >>> been >>> told to follow. >>> >>> Craig L. Prahl, CET >>> Fire Protection >>> CH2MHILL >>> Lockwood Greene >>> 1500 International Drive >>> Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 >>> Direct - 864.599.4102 >>> Fax - 864.599.8439 >>> CH2MHILL Extension 74102 >>> [email protected] >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto: >>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Thom >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 10:51 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: RE: System Area Size >>> >>> Actually I think this could make a difference even before (or if) >>> adoption >>> by NFPA. >>> Remember that "AHJ" includes insurance underwriters like FM, and often a >>> "Local" AHJ (Fire Marshal) will defer to FM, due to their vast >>> experience. >>> This could especially be the case if the TC has recommended approval of >>> these larger areas. >>> >>> Making it into the Standards and code, isn't the only way we apply design >>> information. For years if NFPA didn't cover some situation but FM did, >>> no-one worried about whether it was "Code" or "Adopted". We simply used >>> the >>> best available information. >>> >>> I wouldn't be surprised to see these larger design areas before 2013. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>> [email protected] >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 8:36 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: RE: System Area Size >>> >>> While it's nice that FM has made these concessions, what difference does >>> it >>> really make? Until the adopted Codes and Standards accept or make any >>> changes, we got what we got to work with. >>> >>> Craig L. 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