Brian,

I have seen that it matters which has the higher pressure for exactly the 
reason you are describing (when adding racks to an overhead system). If one 
requires too high a pressure, it may overflow the other enough to blow the calc.

I agree with the others though... if you can, just build the entire system into 
one model and let the computer hash it out.

Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP 
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] 
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Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 9:25 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Balancing Rack Calc's

Brian,

If this is a new system with roof & rack systems,then calc them as 1 
system,adjust pipe size to give the required demand at each area and no 
other balancing is needed.It's when you are adding a rack system to an 
existing roof system riser that balancing is required.I was told by F.M. 
years ago that if the 2 systems were within 1 PSI of each other,they 
would not ask for a seperate balancing calc.Good luck.

Lamar Vaughn,SET


On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Brian Harris wrote:

> Travis-
> I'm using HydraCalc
>
> Brian Harris
> FDFP Inc.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Travis 
> Mack,
> SET
> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:10 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Balancing Rack Calc's
>
> What calc program are you using? Just put both the rack and overhead 
> system
> in the calc file and let the computer balance.
> It has been over a decade since I did a 'separate' calc for each. 
> Travis Mack, SET
> MFP Design, LLC
> www.mfpdesign.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Brian Harris" <[email protected]>
> Sender: [email protected]: Wed, 20 Apr 2011
> 10:06:42 To: <[email protected]>
> Reply-To: [email protected]
> Subject: Balancing Rack Calc's
>
> I knew sooner or later my luck would run out and I'd have a job with 
> racks,
> yes ladies and gentlemen this is the first time I've had to do an in 
> rack
> system. I've searched through code, searched past archives, and still 
> am not
> all warm and fuzzy with my conclusion, if someone would be so kind as 
> to
> either give me either an amen or send me to the corner with a dunce 
> cap I
> would greatly appreciate it.
>
>
> I have done my overhead calc's, done my rack calc's, they are balanced 
> to
> within .5 psi of each other at a common point on the riser. My 
> question is
> this: does it matter which calc has the higher of the two pressures? 
> The
> reason I ask is when it comes to the combined calc and you balance the 
> flow
> at the common point on the riser I have tried two scenarios, if the 
> higher
> pressure is on the rack system and you plug in the "balance" formula I 
> get
> 981 gallons I need to add to the rack system which will work. If I 
> tweak a
> couple things and the overhead system is the higher pressure and plug 
> that
> into the "balance" formula I get 181 gallons that I need to add to the
> overhead system and that will not work. What is the consensus of the 
> forum?
>
>
> Brian Harris
>
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