Richard-
The specs on the job require 1 level on in rack sprinklers, no such luck.

Brian Harris
FDFP Inc.
 

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Subject: RE: Balancing Rack Calc's

Bryan, have you looked at all the options Not to use rack
sprinklers,ESFR,CMSA...a lot of heads out there that would eliminate rack
sprinklers.
--
Richard Carr, SET

---- Matt Grise <[email protected]> wrote: 
> Brian,
> 
> I have seen that it matters which has the higher pressure for exactly the
reason you are describing (when adding racks to an overhead system). If one
requires too high a pressure, it may overflow the other enough to blow the
calc.
> 
> I agree with the others though... if you can, just build the entire system
into one model and let the computer hash it out.
> 
> Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP 
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> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
[email protected]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 9:25 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Balancing Rack Calc's
> 
> Brian,
> 
> If this is a new system with roof & rack systems,then calc them as 1 
> system,adjust pipe size to give the required demand at each area and no 
> other balancing is needed.It's when you are adding a rack system to an 
> existing roof system riser that balancing is required.I was told by F.M. 
> years ago that if the 2 systems were within 1 PSI of each other,they 
> would not ask for a seperate balancing calc.Good luck.
> 
> Lamar Vaughn,SET
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Brian Harris wrote:
> 
> > Travis-
> > I'm using HydraCalc
> >
> > Brian Harris
> > FDFP Inc.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected]
> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Travis 
> > Mack,
> > SET
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:10 AM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: Balancing Rack Calc's
> >
> > What calc program are you using? Just put both the rack and overhead 
> > system
> > in the calc file and let the computer balance.
> > It has been over a decade since I did a 'separate' calc for each. 
> > Travis Mack, SET
> > MFP Design, LLC
> > www.mfpdesign.com
> >
> > Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Brian Harris" <[email protected]>
> > Sender: [email protected]: Wed, 20 Apr 2011
> > 10:06:42 To: <[email protected]>
> > Reply-To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Balancing Rack Calc's
> >
> > I knew sooner or later my luck would run out and I'd have a job with 
> > racks,
> > yes ladies and gentlemen this is the first time I've had to do an in 
> > rack
> > system. I've searched through code, searched past archives, and still 
> > am not
> > all warm and fuzzy with my conclusion, if someone would be so kind as 
> > to
> > either give me either an amen or send me to the corner with a dunce 
> > cap I
> > would greatly appreciate it.
> >
> >
> > I have done my overhead calc's, done my rack calc's, they are balanced 
> > to
> > within .5 psi of each other at a common point on the riser. My 
> > question is
> > this: does it matter which calc has the higher of the two pressures? 
> > The
> > reason I ask is when it comes to the combined calc and you balance the 
> > flow
> > at the common point on the riser I have tried two scenarios, if the 
> > higher
> > pressure is on the rack system and you plug in the "balance" formula I 
> > get
> > 981 gallons I need to add to the rack system which will work. If I 
> > tweak a
> > couple things and the overhead system is the higher pressure and plug 
> > that
> > into the "balance" formula I get 181 gallons that I need to add to the
> > overhead system and that will not work. What is the consensus of the 
> > forum?
> >
> >
> > Brian Harris
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