BAAAD Idea...So the GC says they will install the daft stops (or 8"/ - 1/3
of the depth as George states)....then they don't.

There is a fire 10 years from now and the Sprinkler Guy will spend a lot of
money defending a BUILDING issue.

At the least the listing should read similarly:

"drafts tops shall be provided blah blah blah  OR the remote area of XXXX sq
ft shall be used"

The we have a way around and give the owner / gc a choice. But by placing
the requirement on a building feature, I will avoid using these heads as
HARD AS I CAN.

Greg

On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 9:00 AM, George Church <[email protected]> wrote:

> Like Marriott's requirement to use NFPA 13, not 13R?
> Draft STOPs aren't required, can be curtains of plywood coming down 8" or
> 1/3 the depth. Take a look at the Tyco catalog data on CC1 and CC2
> sprinklers- explains it all nicely.
>
> George L.  Church, Jr., CET
> Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
> PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842
> 877-324-ROWE       570-837-6335 fax
> [email protected]
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill Brooks
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 1:52 PM
> To: [email protected]; [email protected]
> Subject: RE: CC1/CC2 or COIN sprinklers
>
> Do you have the 2009 IBC available?  You're installing a 13R system?  Would
> sprinkler protection be necessary in the attic space?  If NFPA 13R and no
> sprinklers in the attic, then 3,000 sq ft draftstopping is needed.  This
> would definitely be the architect's job to show these in my opinion.  If no
> draftstopping is in the job, then your sprinkler scope extends to the attic.
> If you must use a specially listed head for this purpose and if this head
> requires 1000 sq ft draftstopping then it seems better to add the 3000 sq ft
> draftstopping (or two units) and omit the sprinklers.
>
> Have I interpreted this correctly, aside from any Marriott special
> requirements?
>
> Bill Brooks
>
> William N. Brooks, P.E.
> Brooks Fire Protection Engineering Inc.
> 372 Wilett Drive
> Severna Park, MD 21146-1904
> 410-544-3620
> 410-544-3032 FAX
> 412-400-6528 Cell
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Travis
> Mack, SET
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 1:04 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: CC1/CC2 or COIN sprinklers
>
> Looking for some other forum experience here.  How have you been dealing
> with architects and GC's that state the IBC does not require draft stops in
> an attic, so they are not willing to put them in when the CC heads are req'd
> and the CC heads require a draft curtain to be installed?
>
> On 6/6/2011 9:23 AM, Matt Grise wrote:
> > I agree. Just looked at that this morning. The handbook elaborates
> > that
> testing has found standard sprinks to be ineffective in short flat comb
> concealed spaces.
> >
> > Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP
> > Sales Engineer
> > Alliance Fire Protection
> > 130 w 9th Ave.
> > North Kansas City, MO 64116
> >
> > *Licensed in KS&  MO
> >
> > 913.888.0647 ph
> > 913.888.0618 f
> > 913.927.0222 cell
> > www. AFPsprink.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Johnson,
> Duane (NIH/OD/ORS) [C]
> > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 11:22 AM
> > To: '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'
> > Subject: RE: CC1/CC2 or COIN sprinklers
> >
> > Yes.  See 8.15.1.6 (2007).
> >
> > Duane Johnson, PE
> > Program Manager
> > Division of the Fire Marshal (Support Contractor) Office of Research
> > Services National Institutes of Health
> > 301-496-0487
> >
> > "Protecting Science - One Sprinkler at a Time"
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Travis Mack, SET [mailto:[email protected]]
> > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 12:08 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: CC1/CC2 or COIN sprinklers
> >
> > Trying to settle a "discussion" here.  When you have a flat concealed
> > combustible space and<36" of clearance, are the specially listed heads
> > required?
> >
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