Any different than the draft stops at the junction of ESFR and SSU's? Prior precedent for building feature reqd by sprinkler listing criteria. Draft curtain at vertical opening protected by water curtain?
There are others, so this isn't unique in requiring building features. We note their need and our exclusion to providing them in our informative yet entertaining proposal. Window sprinklers- no horiz mullions without another set of WS below it- so you COULD add another level of WS at every horizontal mullion and not change building features. Architect /Owner might not like the appearance. George L. Church, Jr., CET Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Greg McGahan Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 11:02 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: CC1/CC2 or COIN sprinklers I am not talking about an option, in order to use the specially listed sprinklers, there is a requirement to have the areas draft stopped per se. So 13 requires the listed sprinklers, the listed sprinkler requires the building to be altered so the sprinklers can be used. If that is the new precedence, then we are treading on very dangerous ground. Greg On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 9:55 AM, steve <[email protected]> wrote: > I've mentioned this before, but keep in mind that it's an option to > sprinkler the attic in lieu of draftstops. In that case, you do not > arbitrarily have a 13 system; it's 13R + an attic sprinklered per 13 > (as an area outside of the dwelling units). > > SML > > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: George Church <[email protected]> > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 10:00:21 > To: [email protected]<[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: CC1/CC2 or COIN sprinklers > > Like Marriott's requirement to use NFPA 13, not 13R? > Draft STOPs aren't required, can be curtains of plywood coming down 8" > or > 1/3 the depth. Take a look at the Tyco catalog data on CC1 and CC2 > sprinklers- explains it all nicely. > > George L. Church, Jr., CET > Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. > PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 > 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax > [email protected] > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill Brooks > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 1:52 PM > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: RE: CC1/CC2 or COIN sprinklers > > Do you have the 2009 IBC available? You're installing a 13R system? > Would sprinkler protection be necessary in the attic space? If NFPA > 13R and no sprinklers in the attic, then 3,000 sq ft draftstopping is > needed. This would definitely be the architect's job to show these in > my opinion. If no draftstopping is in the job, then your sprinkler scope > extends to the attic. > If you must use a specially listed head for this purpose and if this > head requires 1000 sq ft draftstopping then it seems better to add the > 3000 sq ft draftstopping (or two units) and omit the sprinklers. > > Have I interpreted this correctly, aside from any Marriott special > requirements? > > Bill Brooks > > William N. Brooks, P.E. > Brooks Fire Protection Engineering Inc. > 372 Wilett Drive > Severna Park, MD 21146-1904 > 410-544-3620 > 410-544-3032 FAX > 412-400-6528 Cell > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Travis > Mack, SET > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 1:04 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: CC1/CC2 or COIN sprinklers > > Looking for some other forum experience here. How have you been > dealing with architects and GC's that state the IBC does not require > draft stops in an attic, so they are not willing to put them in when > the CC heads are req'd and the CC heads require a draft curtain to be > installed? > > On 6/6/2011 9:23 AM, Matt Grise wrote: > > I agree. Just looked at that this morning. The handbook elaborates > > that > testing has found standard sprinks to be ineffective in short flat > comb concealed spaces. > > > > Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP > > Sales Engineer > > Alliance Fire Protection > > 130 w 9th Ave. > > North Kansas City, MO 64116 > > > > *Licensed in KS& MO > > > > 913.888.0647 ph > > 913.888.0618 f > > 913.927.0222 cell > > www. AFPsprink.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Johnson, Duane (NIH/OD/ORS) [C] > > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 11:22 AM > > To: '[email protected]'; '[email protected]' > > Subject: RE: CC1/CC2 or COIN sprinklers > > > > Yes. See 8.15.1.6 (2007). > > > > Duane Johnson, PE > > Program Manager > > Division of the Fire Marshal (Support Contractor) Office of Research > > Services National Institutes of Health > > 301-496-0487 > > > > "Protecting Science - One Sprinkler at a Time" > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Travis Mack, SET [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 12:08 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: CC1/CC2 or COIN sprinklers > > > > Trying to settle a "discussion" here. When you have a flat > > concealed combustible space and<36" of clearance, are the specially > > listed heads required? > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > -- Greg McGahan Living Water Fire Protection, LLC <http://www.livingwaterfp.com> 1160 McKenzie Road Cantonment, FL 32533 850-937-1850 fax 850-937-1852 _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
