2009 IBC [F] 903.3.2 Quick-response and residential sprinklers. Where automatic sprinkler systems are required by this code, quick-response or residential automatic sprinklers shall be installed in the following areas in accordance with Section 903.3.1 and their listings:
1. Throughout all spaces within a smoke compartment containing patient sleeping units in Group I-2 in accordance with this code. 2. Dwelling units, and sleeping units in Group R and I-1 occupancies. 3. Light-hazard occupancies as defined in NFPA 13. John Drucker, CET Fire Protection Subcode Official Fire/Building/Electrical Inspector Fire Marshals Office Borough of Red Bank, NJ Not the official position of any agency, association, committee or otherwise. Obtain required applications, permits, inspections and approvals from Authority(s) Having Jurisdiction. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Travis Mack, SET Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 12:18 PM To: Art Tiroly Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Residential Sprinkler in I-2 I haven't even gotten to this point yet. The plan reviewer is stating that the "sleeping rooms" are not dwelling units - even though NFPA 13 states that sleeping rooms in nursing homes are in the dwelling unit definition. So, we have to have a sit down with the plan reviewer, his supervisor, the sprinkler contractor, general contractor and the architect. It just seems like a major waste of man hours for something that is so obvious. This ties into a previous email I stated about whose job is it to train the plan reviewers? On 11/1/2011 9:03 AM, Art Tiroly wrote: > Check residential sprinklers under 11.3.1.2 (13-2007) You calc either the EC > residential listing OR .10 x the largest design area per sprinkler : > 20'x14'=280sf x .10 = 28 gpm. Show this to the AHJ. > > > Arthur Tiroly > ATCO Fire Protection Design > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Travis Mack, > SET > Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 5:36 PM > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Residential Sprinkler in I-2 > > The system was designed as a full 13 system (concealed combustible spaces, > bathrooms, closets, etc...) We just used residential sprinklers in the > "dwelling units" which include the sleeping area, bathroom and closets. > Residential sprinklers were also utilized in the corridors leading to these > rooms. The densities were as prescribed in NFPA 13 for light hazard. We > used the allowances for residential sprinklers and did a 4 head calculation. > > The issue becomes that the heads in the main sleeping area are 10' from > walls. The overall room area of the sleeping area is 270 sq ft. Per NFPA > 13, you take the coverage per sprinkler or the listing as your design > discharge. These sprinklers are calculated at 27 gpm / sprinkler in the > main area. We could do it without adding heads, but when you go to an ex > cov sprinkler, you now have 40 gpm at the sprinkler and this causes a > greater water demand which leads to larger pipes. > > So, are the living areas where the memory care patients reside a "dwelling > unit" per NFPA 13? If so, residential sprinklers are permitted. We are > trying to enlist the assistance of the architect on the project to help > speak on our behalf as well. > > On 10/31/2011 2:23 PM, Art Tiroly wrote: >> Check for definitions in your building code for dwelling units. You >> still may be required to do closets, bathrooms and attics of course. >> Also follow the guidelines in NFPA 13. These bedroom wings are usually >> residential areas contrary to what the AHJ is saying. You may need to >> calculate .10 minimum density but 4 sprinklers should be adequate calc >> area. This what I have applied many times in the past. I-2 will likely >> require a full 13 system per the building code but you can apply > residential rules from 13. >> >> Arthur Tiroly >> ATCO Fire Protection Design >> Tiroly and Associates >> 24400 Highland Rd rm 25, CLE 44143 >> 216-621-8899 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Travis >> Mack, SET >> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 5:10 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Residential Sprinkler in I-2 >> >> This particular project is coming down to the AHJ stating that the >> resident's rooms are not dwelling units. They are 1-2 bedroom units >> with a bathroom and closets. It looks like a typical hotel room. So, >> when is a dwelling unit not a dwelling unit. That is the question. >> This is a long term care facility. We have no idea where this plan >> reviewer is coming from. >> >> On 10/31/2011 2:06 PM, Ron Greenman wrote: >>> Duane, >>> >>> The exceptions allowing 13R and 13D are not referring to the >>> residential head language but to the "throughout." 13 says sprinklers >>> everywhere and 13R and 13D have allowances for unsprinklered areas so >>> if your particular >>> I-2 falls within a provision that would allow 13R or 13D you can then >>> follow those guidelines and ignore the throughout. >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Johnson, Duane (NIH/OD/ORS) [C]< >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Then Chapters 32/33 for Residential Board and Care chapters are >>>> applicable...IF NFPA 101 is applicable. Section 32.2.3.5.1 has >>>> similar verbiage as noted below by Jack. You should read the next >>>> few paragraphs as they go into detail when, where and what else is >>>> required for the 13, 13R and 13D design choices. >>>> >>>> Duane Johnson, PE >>>> Program Manager >>>> Division of the Fire Marshal (Support Contractor) Office of Research >>>> Services National Institutes of Health >>>> 301-496-0487 >>>> >>>> "Protecting Science - One Sprinkler at a Time" >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Travis Mack, SET [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 12:10 PM >>>> To: Johnson, Duane (NIH/OD/ORS) [C] >>>> Cc: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: Residential Sprinkler in I-2 >>>> >>>> it is a memory care facility. >>>> >>>> On 10/31/2011 9:08 AM, Johnson, Duane (NIH/OD/ORS) [C] wrote: >>>>> What is the occupancy? I-2 does not necessarily parallel with NFPA >>>>> 101 >>>> Health Care chapters. >>>>> Duane Johnson, PE >>>>> Program Manager >>>>> Division of the Fire Marshal (Support Contractor) Office of >>>>> Research Services National Institutes of Health >>>>> 301-496-0487 >>>>> >>>>> "Protecting Science - One Sprinkler at a Time" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Fairchild, Jack [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 12:06 PM >>>>> To: [email protected]; [email protected] >>>>> Subject: RE: Residential Sprinkler in I-2 >>>>> >>>>> NFPA 101,2006 allows it. Chapter 18 New Health Care Facilities >>>>> >>>>> 18.3.5.5* Listed quick-response or listed residential sprinklers >>>>> shall >>>> be used throughout smoke compartments containing patient sleeping rooms. >>>>> A.18.3.5.5 The requirements for use of quick-response sprinklers >>>>> intend >>>> that quick-response sprinklers be the predominant type of sprinkler >>>> installed in the smoke compartment. It is recognized, however, that >>>> quick-response sprinklers might not be approved for installation in >>>> all areas such as those where NFPA 13, Standard for the Installation >>>> of Sprinkler Systems, requires sprinklers of the intermediate- or >>>> high-temperature classification. It is not the intent of the >>>> 18.3.5.5 requirements to prohibit the use of standard sprinklers in >>>> limited areas of a smoke compartment where intermediate- or >>>> high-temperature sprinklers are required. >>>>> Where the installation of quick-response sprinklers is >>>>> impracticable in >>>> patient sleeping room areas, appropriate equivalent protection >>>> features acceptable to the authority having jurisdiction should be >>>> provided. It is recognized that the use of quick-response sprinklers >>>> might be limited in facilities housing certain types of patients or >>>> by the installation limitations of quick-response sprinklers. >>>>> You should also check NFPA 99. >>>>> >>>>> Jack Fairchild, CFPS | Manager of Fire Protection and Life Safety >>>>> | >>>> Ballinger | v 215.446.0596 | f 215.446.0597 | 833 Chestnut >> Street >>>> Suite 1400 Philadelphia, PA 19107 | www.ballinger-ae.com >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto: >>>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Travis Mack, >>>> SET >>>>> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 11:58 AM >>>>> To: Matt Grise >>>>> Cc: '[email protected]' >>>>> Subject: Re: Residential Sprinkler in I-2 >>>>> >>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> URL:< >>>> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/private/sprinklerforum/att >>>> a chments/20111031/03b78a21/attachment.html >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum
