Gayle,

I think you may be down to the cleverest lawyer level. NFPA 25/2011 5.2.2
specifically says inspect from the floor. If the issue is "inspect for
proper pitch" that is not mentioned at all in that edition. The 2011
handbook even has a clarification note that checking for proper pitch IS
NOT part of the annual inspection. As far as I know that requirement may
have died with NFPA 13A and is just part of the lore. I'm curious now and
if at work where I have every edition of 25 and 13A as far back as
1970something I'd look. Tomorrow I may not b so curious. You need to
determine the applicable edition and have your lawyer base an argument on
what the law actually says.

On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 6:37 AM, GAYLE KNOWLES <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> thanks, Steve.  I don't know all the details.  I do know that all the low
> point drains were accessible.  The suit comes from him not crawling up in
> the attic to check that the pipe was pitched properly for drainage.
>
> Gayle Knowles, SET,RME
> Project Manager
> Kaufman Fire Protection
> 505-884-2447 x207
>
>
>
> > Subject: RE: NFPA 25
> > Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 19:49:19 -0800
> > From: [email protected]
> > To: [email protected]; [email protected]
> >
> > All good points. Gayle, your question was about one specific aspect of
> an inspection per NFPA 25, to which I offered a specific answer. As Ron
> alludes to, there are numerous other aspects to NFPA 25 conformance
> regarding a dry system. I wouldn't want anyone basing their defense in a
> claim or a tort on whether or not a visual inspection from the floor meets
> the overall standard of care as prescribed by NFPA 25.
> >
> > SL
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: [email protected] on behalf of Ron Greenman
> > Sent: Fri 11/9/2012 4:00 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: NFPA 25
> >
> >
> >
> > But if he does the tests and/or maintenance as well he's supposed to
> drain
> > the lowpoints, even if in the attic. We have a contractor in a lawsuit
> over
> > the same thing where the installing contractor did nothing to indicate
> > location and then the sheetrocker hid several in the walls and the
> > insulator covered another bunch.
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 2:26 PM, GAYLE KNOWLES <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks Steve. The reason I ask this is because we have a contractor
> here
> > > who is in a lawsuit because the attic system froze up in a building
> that he
> > > inspects. They are blaming him because he does their inspections and
> > > should've checked the attic system. We are trying to help him out with
> as
> > > much feedback from our peers as we can get. AFSA sent us an informal
> > > interpretation which helps.
> > >
> > > Gayle Knowles, SET,RME
> > > Project Manager
> > > Kaufman Fire Protection
> > > 505-884-2447 x207
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Subject: RE: NFPA 25
> > > > Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 08:50:34 -0800
> > > > From: [email protected]
> > > > To: [email protected];
> [email protected]
> > > >
> > > > That's correct.
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > >
> > > > From: [email protected] on behalf of GAYLE
> > > KNOWLES
> > > > Sent: Tue 11/6/2012 7:26 AM
> > > > To: sprinklerforum
> > > > Subject: NFPA 25
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > According to NFPA 25, one is to observe from the floor when
> inspecting a
> > > system. Would this mean that you are not required to crawl around in an
> > > attic to check for proper pitch and drainage on a dry system?
> > > >
> > > > Gayle Knowles, SET,RME
> > > > Project Manager
> > > > Kaufman Fire Protection
> > > > 505-884-2447 x207
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