Gayle, I think you may be down to the cleverest lawyer level. NFPA 25/2011 5.2.2 specifically says inspect from the floor. If the issue is "inspect for proper pitch" that is not mentioned at all in that edition. The 2011 handbook even has a clarification note that checking for proper pitch IS NOT part of the annual inspection. As far as I know that requirement may have died with NFPA 13A and is just part of the lore. I'm curious now and if at work where I have every edition of 25 and 13A as far back as 1970something I'd look. Tomorrow I may not b so curious. You need to determine the applicable edition and have your lawyer base an argument on what the law actually says.
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 6:37 AM, GAYLE KNOWLES <[email protected]> wrote: > > thanks, Steve. I don't know all the details. I do know that all the low > point drains were accessible. The suit comes from him not crawling up in > the attic to check that the pipe was pitched properly for drainage. > > Gayle Knowles, SET,RME > Project Manager > Kaufman Fire Protection > 505-884-2447 x207 > > > > > Subject: RE: NFPA 25 > > Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 19:49:19 -0800 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > > > All good points. Gayle, your question was about one specific aspect of > an inspection per NFPA 25, to which I offered a specific answer. As Ron > alludes to, there are numerous other aspects to NFPA 25 conformance > regarding a dry system. I wouldn't want anyone basing their defense in a > claim or a tort on whether or not a visual inspection from the floor meets > the overall standard of care as prescribed by NFPA 25. > > > > SL > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: [email protected] on behalf of Ron Greenman > > Sent: Fri 11/9/2012 4:00 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: NFPA 25 > > > > > > > > But if he does the tests and/or maintenance as well he's supposed to > drain > > the lowpoints, even if in the attic. We have a contractor in a lawsuit > over > > the same thing where the installing contractor did nothing to indicate > > location and then the sheetrocker hid several in the walls and the > > insulator covered another bunch. > > > > On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 2:26 PM, GAYLE KNOWLES <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks Steve. The reason I ask this is because we have a contractor > here > > > who is in a lawsuit because the attic system froze up in a building > that he > > > inspects. They are blaming him because he does their inspections and > > > should've checked the attic system. We are trying to help him out with > as > > > much feedback from our peers as we can get. AFSA sent us an informal > > > interpretation which helps. > > > > > > Gayle Knowles, SET,RME > > > Project Manager > > > Kaufman Fire Protection > > > 505-884-2447 x207 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: NFPA 25 > > > > Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 08:50:34 -0800 > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > To: [email protected]; > [email protected] > > > > > > > > That's correct. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] on behalf of GAYLE > > > KNOWLES > > > > Sent: Tue 11/6/2012 7:26 AM > > > > To: sprinklerforum > > > > Subject: NFPA 25 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to NFPA 25, one is to observe from the floor when > inspecting a > > > system. Would this mean that you are not required to crawl around in an > > > attic to check for proper pitch and drainage on a dry system? > > > > > > > > Gayle Knowles, SET,RME > > > > Project Manager > > > > Kaufman Fire Protection > > > > 505-884-2447 x207 > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > > > URL: < > > > > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/private/sprinklerforum/attachments/20121106/96049be4/attachment.html > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > > > URL: < > > > > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/private/sprinklerforum/attachments/20121106/3465383c/attachment.html > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > > URL: < > > > > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/private/sprinklerforum/attachments/20121109/314a7644/attachment.html > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ron Greenman > > Instructor > > Fire Protection Engineering Technology > > Bates Technical College > > 1101 So. 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