I'm aware of the dynamics and how the process is going in the current cycle. I teach NFPA 25 for NFPA. But "blood on their hands" is a bit much, no? I was looking for Dick Patton's name in the signature line. I am out of country and not able to access information I have in my office, but I believe that more than 65% of all sprinkler failures are related to water supply encumbrances, mostly incorrectly closed valves. Design deficiencies or changes of use without corresponding upgrades to sprinkler system are the next most common cause, catgegorically. BOTH of which are easily correctable by statutory conformance with applicable building/fire codes and NFPA 25. Installation deficiencies are important, and I agree with the overall sentiment that it's in our industry's very best interest to raise the standard of care as high as possible both during and after installation, but that cause of failure isn't even on the list, if I recall correctly. SML
________________________________ From: [email protected] on behalf of Jim Davidson Sent: Mon 11/12/2012 2:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: NFPA 25 Steve, What some are trying to do is to make the inspecting contractor responsible for the items missed by the Owner's design team engineers and the AHJ reviewing the original sprinkler system shop drawing. If every one reads NFPA 25 2008 paragraph 1.1.2 "The types of systems addressed by this standard include, but are not limited to, sprinkler, standpipe and hose, fixed water spray, and foam water. Included are the water supplies that are part of these systems, such as private fire service mains and appurtenances, fire pumps and water storage tanks, and valves that control system flow. The document also addresses impairment handling and reporting. This standard applies to fire protection systems that have been properly installed in accordance with generally accepted practices. Where a system has not been installed in accordance with generally accepted practices, the corrective action is beyond the scope of this standard. The corrective action to ensure that the system performs in a satisfactory manner shall be in accordance with the appropriate installation standard." This clearly defines that incorrectly installed systems are not part of this standard, the inspecting contractor should notify the Building Owner of the original system deficiencies found in a separate letter to the Owner and not as part of the NFPA 25 inspection report. This is just my opinion. Regards Jim DAVIDSON ASSOCIATES Fire Protection Engineering P. O. Box 4010 Code Consultants Greenville, DE 19807-0010 Medical Gas Systems Engineering (302) 994-9500 Fax (302) 234-1781 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 4:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: NFPA 25 I have read and re-read this three times. As respectfully and tactfully as I can phrase it, what the hell are you talking about? SML ________________________________ From: [email protected] on behalf of å... .... Sent: Mon 11/12/2012 9:14 AM To: [email protected] Subject: NFPA 25 To date, NFPA 25 has more blood on its hands than the Red Cross. It purposefully avoids tackling improvements to sprinkler inspections, and that injures fire protection's most reliable, cost-effective, and greenest tool. Solving the money liability issues has proved complicated, but customers and society deserve the effort. scot deal excelsior fire -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/private/sprinklerforum/attachments/20121112/c181b243/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4400 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/private/sprinklerforum/attachments/20121112/3db40d79/attachment.bin> _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 7388 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/private/sprinklerforum/attachments/20121112/a9b96a2a/attachment.bin> _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum
