If you're talking about an exterior fire ground operation, as it has been 
explained to me (or as best as I recall),  the sprinklers are typically shut 
down when the FD is mobilized and ready to begin extinguishment attack, so all 
water resources are directed to the hand hose lines and/or master streams.  
(remember, sprinklers are primarily designed for control, not necessarily 
complete extinguishment). 

If the fire is out when the FD arrives, again the sprinkler system is shut down 
and the FD begins mop-up operation with all water resources being directed to 
the hand hose line operation.

In most cases the pumper apparatus is going to control flow rates and pressures 
to the hose lines through its connection to a nearby hydrant.   

If it's an interior attack using standpipes then there may be slight variations 
to the procedure depending on available flows and pressure and other factors 
but once more, the sprinkler system is shut down so water can be directed to 
the hose lines.

Now as far as having enough water, is the source a municipal supply or a 
private storage tank or large muddy puddle?



Craig L. Prahl 
Fire Protection Group Lead
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
Spartanburg, SC  29303
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
CH2MHILL Extension  74102
[email protected]


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 4:22 PM
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Subject: RE: Hose added to calc's. no PSI

Craig-
The owner is very skeptical of there being enough water supply without adding a 
tank, we provided calculations for the sprinkler system and now he wants a 
civil engineer to provide fire calc's as well. The civil guy was asking why we 
didn't include any extra psi drop for the outside hose allowance.

Brian Harris, CET
BVS Systems Inc.
bvssytemsinc.com


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 4:15 PM
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Subject: RE: Hose added to calc's. no PSI

Why does he care?

Craig L. Prahl 
Fire Protection Group Lead
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
Spartanburg, SC  29303
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
CH2MHILL Extension  74102
[email protected]


-----Original Message-----
From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Brian Harris
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 1:59 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Hose added to calc's. no PSI

I've been trying to explain to a civil engineer that we (fire sprinkler) 
include outside hose allowance into our calc's but only for the extra gpm, not 
as far as additional psi goes. I'm sure it's the way I'm trying to explain it 
that's not making any sense to him, can one of you more versed in the English 
language help me out and put it in layman's terms for me?

Brian Harris, CET
BVS Systems Inc.
Sprinkler Division
bvssystemsinc.com<http://bvssystemsinc.com/>
Phone: 704.896.9989
Fax: 704.896.1935

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