I'm assuming that the subject is a mid-rise building and not a
high-rise?   That confirmed, I agree with Lamar, that the hydraulics of
a manual standpipe system shouldn't impact the automatic water supply
for sprinklers or public improvements related to that service lateral.

I would normally add a sarcastic or disparaging comment about civil
engineers but am resolved to being more diplomatic.    This week.

SL



-----Original Message-----
From: Sprinklerforum
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Lamar Vaughn
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 11:18 AM
To: Sprinkler Forum
Subject: Re: Hose added to calc's. no PSI

You have already answered the question by referring to the fire truck as
a pump, which it is. If more pressure is needed,they simply pump it.

Lamar Vaughn, SET

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Brian Harris
<[email protected]>
wrote:

> Duane-
> I've sent him a copy of our calc's showing exactly what you described 
> with the flat line, he's still convinced that the added flow (250) 
> will required more pressure. Not that it's totally accurate I told him

> to think of the fire truck as a pump and it was providing the pressure

> for the outside hose streams...
>
> Brian Harris, CET
> BVS Systems Inc.
> bvssytemsinc.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Duane 
> Johnson
> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 2:05 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Hose added to calc's. no PSI
>
> We allow for the fire department to fight the fire while the 
> sprinklers are activated. So, while the sprinklers are flowing at X 
> psi @ Y gpm, the fire department will open up a fire hydrant to flow 
> additional gpm. The pressure they use is less than the sprinkler 
> requirements. Therefore we need to account for additional gpm, but not

> additional psi. Show him a graph with the horizontal line at the top
of the sprinkler demand...
>
> Duane Johnson, PE
> Design Manager
> Strickland Fire Protection
> 301-474-1136 Office
> 301-455-0010 Cell
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Brian 
> Harris
> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 1:59 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Hose added to calc's. no PSI
>
> I've been trying to explain to a civil engineer that we (fire 
> sprinkler) include outside hose allowance into our calc's but only for

> the extra gpm, not as far as additional psi goes. I'm sure it's the 
> way I'm trying to explain it that's not making any sense to him, can 
> one of you more versed in the English language help me out and put it
in layman's terms for me?
>
> Brian Harris, CET
> BVS Systems Inc.
> Sprinkler Division
> bvssystemsinc.com<http://bvssystemsinc.com/>
> Phone: 704.896.9989
> Fax: 704.896.1935
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