Oh, and starting at something lower than eventual EP is more than adequate to 
let you find open standpipe ports, and close them. Why flood the stairwell more 
than necessary?

BV 

> On Sep 12, 2016, at 14:06, Bruce Verhei <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Most FD's use 150 psi as a near universal starting point. It's what an FDC 
> basically says "start me at".
> 
> If nozzle is not too high above FDC this isn't too bad. If nozzle is a number 
> of floors up the operator will be ready to provide water before its needed. 
> And it gets all of the now compressed air out of the system.
> 
> But once water is flowing, the pump operator will do field calc's to get the 
> appropriate real pressure. Our standard 1 3/4 hose packs used 135 psi for 
> friction loss and nozzle pressure. I suspect cities with bigger footprint 
> buildings would use a 200' instead of 150' hose pack, getting you back to 
> ~150 psi at gated wye (2 1/2" X 1 1/2" X 1 1/2") I know an alternative is 50' 
> 2 1/2" then wye, then standpipe bundles.
> 
> Our standard was for head pressure was 5 psi per floor. For all you three 
> significant digit folks, this actually works out pretty close for 10-12' 
> storeys. 
> 
> Field calc also includes friction loss between engine and FDC. 
> 
> And our standard calc included 25 psi for friction loss in the standpipe 
> system. I later decided that this was way too much, but fire experience 
> belied the numbers. The scheme we used did not result in too high nozzle 
> pressure. Usually more pressure was requested by radio. Eventually I decided 
> that hose lines were much more liable to have kinks in this setting compared 
> to homes, restaurants, repair garages and so on. Compare a kink to a 1" 90 in 
> a 1 1/2" sprinkler line. Lots of friction loss in a very short run.
> 
> So I didn't send a note to Training telling them no, we weren't seeing 25 psi 
> f.l. in a five story standpipe at 200 gpm. 
> 
> NP + attack line FL + HP + 25 for standpipe and FDC + FL from engine to FDC = 
> EP
> 
> To recap, 
> -150 psi to get water flowing, 
> -connect second 2 1/2" line to FDC and get it charged, 
> -do field hydraulics, increase engine pressure, and reset relief valve ( or 
> governor)
> -adjust up 20 psi per each request from attack companies. 20 psi is about 
> minimum that is noticeable. During active fire fighting you will not get a 
> request for less.
> 
> After control, at some point pressure will be adjusted way down, per request. 
> 
> This is one FD's practice. It works well in low rise.
> 
> Best
> 
> Bruce Verhei
> 
> On Sep 12, 2016, at 13:00, Brian Harris <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks guys, much appreciated.
>>  
>> Brian Harris, CET
>> BVS Systems Inc.
>> bvssytemsinc.com
>>  
>> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] 
>> On Behalf Of Brian Harris
>> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 3:21 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Fire Truck Supply @ FDC
>>  
>> Is there a “standard” GPM @ PSI used for a standpipe calc with regard to 
>> what the fire truck will provide? I called the local AHJ and all he would 
>> say is they provide 150psi, didn’t know the gpm or even the hose size for 
>> that matter. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>  
>> Brian Harris, CET
>> BVS Systems Inc.
>> Design Manager
>> bvssystemsinc.com
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