John,
Perhaps a quick look at this video
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUbR7PUbpJQ> might provide a different
perspective.
While I appreciate you aren't comfortable with a system you can
purchase on Amazon, I'd like to point out that the homeowner can
purchase a tremendous array of CPVC pipe and fittings on Amazon. While
none of it is UL listed for fire sprinkler use, who's to say the
homeowner won't install the wrong material? Hey, if they homeowner
watched that video he might get the idea that he could purchase "glue"
instead of solvent for less money.
You don't like it. I get it. It is allowed by NFPA 13D, and if
you think it should be removed, submit a public input to that end.
sincerely,
*Ken Wagoner, SET
*Parsley Consulting***
*350 West 9th Avenue, Suite 206
*Escondido, California 92025
*****Phone 760-745-6181*
Visit our website <http://www.parsleyconsulting.com/> ***
On 09/30/2016 12:47 PM, John Irwin wrote:
Well the Intent of the original email was actually to educate myself.
For 25 years I've been brought up to take pride in the fact that we're
more than plumbers. I'm not crazy about a fire protection system you
can buy on Amazon and watch a YouTube video on how to install it.
Also I consent that it's better to have Pex sprinklers in a single
family home than to have no sprinklers at all. But it just feels cheap
to me. And the same goes for the plumbing.
If money was not a consideration and you were plumbing and
sprinklering your own home, would you use Pex or copper plumbing and
steel sprinkler pipe?
John Irwin
Critical System Solutions Sprinkler Construction Manager
813-618-2781 <tel:813-618-2781> [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent from a mobile device. Please forgive brevity, spelling errors and
punctuation gaffes.
-------- Original message --------
From: Steve Leyton <[email protected]>
Date: 9/30/16 3:33 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Pex
No, but I’m a longtime committee member, forum subscriber and
self-appointed surrogate for George L. Church, the late great Direwolf
of the Forum. I’m pretty sure it’s not the intent of this
list-server to host conversations that trash product technologies or
widely accepted good practices. I’m neither a plumber nor shareholder
but have a 15+ year awareness of and understanding of the product and
I’m acutely in touch with the fact that you can’t just “ban” or
disparage a product that, in this case, arguably has a better service
history than steel or CPVC.
PEX has a limited range of applications and pipe sizes, as well as a
lower rated working pressure. But it’s easy to install, doesn’t
require threading, brazing, soldering, cement or any method of fusion
to assemble and (unlike CPVC) can be tested immediately after
installation. I’m absolutely NOT advocating for PEX (or CPVC or
copper or stainless unobtanium for that matter) but before you use
slash and burn sales tactics, you might want to actually educate
yourself about the product and its performance history dating back to
1972, if I’m not mistaken.
The preceding is definitely my opinion only. Happy weekend all,
Steve L.
*From:*Sprinklerforum
[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of
*John Irwin
*Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 11:53 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* RE: Pex
What are you, a plumber? Pex stock holder? =)
=)
*John Irwin*
Manager – Fire Sprinkler Division
*Critical System Solutions, LLC
*Cell: 813.618.2781
Email: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
*From:*Sprinklerforum
[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of
*Steve Leyton
*Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 2:16 PM
*To:* [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* RE: Pex
John:
I’m definitely NOT the arbiter of taste and protocol for the Forum but
your premise is – in my humblest of opinions – flawed and
contentious. What’s the basis for your belief that a combined PEX
system is garbage? Keeping in mind that manufacturers of UL listed
PEX are members in good standing of both AFSA and NFSA and their
representatives serve on NFPA technical committees and the
manufacturers/suppliers boards of both trade groups …
Steve L.
*From:*Sprinklerforum
[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of
*John Irwin
*Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 11:07 AM
*To:* [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Pex
I need to convince a client that a combined pex system is garbage …
and I need to do it quickly. Frankly I won’t use it period but other
than “it’s crap” is there another reason not to use it?
**
*John Irwin*
Manager – Fire Sprinkler Division
**
*Critical System Solutions, LLC
*2830 Scherer Drive, Suite 300
St. Petersburg, FL 33716
Office: 727.209.5122
Fax: 727.209.5126
Cell: 813.618.2781
Email: [email protected]
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