As much as I dislike CPVC there do appear to be some advantages over PEX.
http://www.resfire.com/news/10-reasons-why-cpvc-piping-are-preferred.html

On Sep 30, 2016 4:42 PM, "John Drucker" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Team,
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> As an AHJ the number one complaint…..too complicated, costs too much, add
> ons not required by code.   So let’s knock it off, KIS….Keep it Simple.
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> Like I said, monitored household fire alarm systems installed by alarm
> people are great….but I’ll take an electrician installing hardwired
> interconnected (in 2015 the interconnect can even be wireless !) smoke
> alarms as recognized by the IBC and NFPA-72.
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> Remember nothing gets us just that… nothing.
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> Yours in Fire Safety,
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> John
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> John Drucker, CET
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> *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected].
> org] *On Behalf Of *Steve Leyton
> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 4:16 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* RE: Pex
>
>
>
> I don’t want to pile on but I think you’re looking at this from a somewhat
> archaic perspective.   It’s seems like the UA freaking out 30 years ago
> when open shops came into the mainstream.
>
>
>
> To me, the perfect residential sprinkler system is a branch off of the
> domestic water supply, composed of pipe, fittings, sprinklers and  …
> nothing else.  A dumb, naked network of piping with nothing else that would
> require maintenance, add cost or potentially encumber the operation of the
> sprinklers in case of fire.   In other words, it’s plumbing.  Now, I know
> that saying such a thing out loud is heresy in some parts, but that’s what
> it is. INSERT PERIOD HERE.
>
>
>
> DELETE >>> and you can truss it up with a flow switch and a gauge and a
> test and drain if you want, but none of the attachments that you might put
> on a 13D- or IRC-based system will enhance the performance of the system as
> it pertains to controlling a fire to its compartment of origin.
>
>
>
> For the record, I have an old home (old for San Diego, built 1956) that’s
> partially sprinklered.  There’s a stand-alone garage that’s protected with
> exposed steel pipe (and ½” SSU’s) that comes off a copper underground feed
> and I’ll be completing the retrofit as part of a remodel and intend to do
> it with PEX.   If money wasn’t a consideration for my domestic plumbing, I
> would have to carefully consider the benefits of copper before making that
> decision, but I’m not aware of any.    For sake of turning the conversation
> to a more informative tone, what do you perceive the benefits of copper and
> CPVC to be over PEX in domestic and fire protection applications?
>
>
>
> Steve L.
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> *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected].
> org <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *John
> Irwin
> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 12:47 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* RE: Pex
>
>
>
> Well the Intent of the original email was actually to educate myself.
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> For 25 years I've been brought up to take pride in the fact that we're
> more than plumbers. I'm not crazy about a fire protection system you can
> buy on Amazon and watch a YouTube video on how to install it.
>
>
>
> Also I consent that it's better to have Pex sprinklers in a single family
> home than to have no sprinklers at all. But it just feels cheap to me. And
> the same goes for the plumbing.
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>
>
> If money was not a consideration and you were plumbing and sprinklering
> your own home, would you use Pex or copper plumbing and steel sprinkler
> pipe?
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>
> John Irwin
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> Critical System Solutions Sprinkler Construction Manager
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> 813-618-2781 [email protected]
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>
> Sent from a mobile device. Please forgive brevity, spelling errors and
> punctuation gaffes.
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>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Steve Leyton <[email protected]>
> Date: 9/30/16 3:33 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Pex
>
> No, but I’m a longtime committee member, forum subscriber and
> self-appointed surrogate for George L. Church, the late great Direwolf of
> the Forum.    I’m pretty sure it’s not the intent of this list-server to
> host conversations that trash product technologies or widely accepted good
> practices.   I’m neither a plumber nor shareholder but have a 15+ year
> awareness of and understanding of the product and I’m acutely in touch with
> the fact that you can’t just “ban” or disparage a product that, in this
> case, arguably has a better service history than steel or CPVC.
>
>
>
> PEX has a limited range of applications and pipe sizes, as well as a lower
> rated working pressure.   But it’s easy to install, doesn’t require
> threading, brazing, soldering, cement or any method of fusion to assemble
> and (unlike CPVC) can be tested immediately after installation.   I’m
> absolutely NOT advocating for PEX (or CPVC or copper or stainless
> unobtanium for that matter) but before you use slash and burn sales
> tactics, you might want to actually educate yourself about the product and
> its performance history dating back to 1972, if I’m not mistaken.
>
>
>
> The preceding is definitely my opinion only.  Happy weekend all,
>
> Steve L.
>
>
>
> *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected].
> org <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *John
> Irwin
> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 11:53 AM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* RE: Pex
>
>
>
> What are you, a plumber? Pex stock holder?  =)
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> =)
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> *John Irwin*
>
> Manager – Fire Sprinkler Division
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>
> *Critical System Solutions, LLC *Cell:     813.618.2781
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> Email:  [email protected]
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> *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected].
> org <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Steve
> Leyton
> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 2:16 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* RE: Pex
>
>
>
> John:
>
> I’m definitely NOT the arbiter of taste and protocol for the Forum but
> your premise is – in my humblest of opinions – flawed and contentious.
> What’s the basis for your belief that a combined PEX system is garbage?
> Keeping in mind that manufacturers of UL listed PEX are members in good
> standing of both AFSA and NFSA and their representatives serve on NFPA
> technical committees and the manufacturers/suppliers boards of both trade
> groups …
>
>
>
> Steve L.
>
>
>
> *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected].
> org <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *John
> Irwin
> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 11:07 AM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Pex
>
>
>
> I need to convince a client that a combined pex system is garbage … and I
> need to do it quickly. Frankly I won’t use it period but other than “it’s
> crap” is there another reason not to use it?
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> *John Irwin*
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> Manager – Fire Sprinkler Division
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