As much as I dislike CPVC there do appear to be some advantages over PEX. http://www.resfire.com/news/10-reasons-why-cpvc-piping-are-preferred.html
On Sep 30, 2016 4:42 PM, "John Drucker" <[email protected]> wrote: > Team, > > > > As an AHJ the number one complaint…..too complicated, costs too much, add > ons not required by code. So let’s knock it off, KIS….Keep it Simple. > > > > Like I said, monitored household fire alarm systems installed by alarm > people are great….but I’ll take an electrician installing hardwired > interconnected (in 2015 the interconnect can even be wireless !) smoke > alarms as recognized by the IBC and NFPA-72. > > > > Remember nothing gets us just that… nothing. > > > > Yours in Fire Safety, > > > > John > > > > John Drucker, CET > > Assistant Construction Official > > Fire Protection Subcode Official > > Electrical Subcode Official > > Building Inspector > > Borough of Red Bank, NJ > > 90 Monmouth Street > > Red Bank, New Jersey 07701 > > Cel/Text: 732-904-6823 > > Email: [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]. > org] *On Behalf Of *Steve Leyton > *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 4:16 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: Pex > > > > I don’t want to pile on but I think you’re looking at this from a somewhat > archaic perspective. It’s seems like the UA freaking out 30 years ago > when open shops came into the mainstream. > > > > To me, the perfect residential sprinkler system is a branch off of the > domestic water supply, composed of pipe, fittings, sprinklers and … > nothing else. A dumb, naked network of piping with nothing else that would > require maintenance, add cost or potentially encumber the operation of the > sprinklers in case of fire. In other words, it’s plumbing. Now, I know > that saying such a thing out loud is heresy in some parts, but that’s what > it is. INSERT PERIOD HERE. > > > > DELETE >>> and you can truss it up with a flow switch and a gauge and a > test and drain if you want, but none of the attachments that you might put > on a 13D- or IRC-based system will enhance the performance of the system as > it pertains to controlling a fire to its compartment of origin. > > > > For the record, I have an old home (old for San Diego, built 1956) that’s > partially sprinklered. There’s a stand-alone garage that’s protected with > exposed steel pipe (and ½” SSU’s) that comes off a copper underground feed > and I’ll be completing the retrofit as part of a remodel and intend to do > it with PEX. If money wasn’t a consideration for my domestic plumbing, I > would have to carefully consider the benefits of copper before making that > decision, but I’m not aware of any. For sake of turning the conversation > to a more informative tone, what do you perceive the benefits of copper and > CPVC to be over PEX in domestic and fire protection applications? > > > > Steve L. > > > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]. > org <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *John > Irwin > *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 12:47 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: Pex > > > > Well the Intent of the original email was actually to educate myself. > > > > > > For 25 years I've been brought up to take pride in the fact that we're > more than plumbers. I'm not crazy about a fire protection system you can > buy on Amazon and watch a YouTube video on how to install it. > > > > Also I consent that it's better to have Pex sprinklers in a single family > home than to have no sprinklers at all. But it just feels cheap to me. And > the same goes for the plumbing. > > > > If money was not a consideration and you were plumbing and sprinklering > your own home, would you use Pex or copper plumbing and steel sprinkler > pipe? > > > > > > John Irwin > > Critical System Solutions Sprinkler Construction Manager > > 813-618-2781 [email protected] > > > > > > Sent from a mobile device. Please forgive brevity, spelling errors and > punctuation gaffes. > > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Steve Leyton <[email protected]> > Date: 9/30/16 3:33 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Pex > > No, but I’m a longtime committee member, forum subscriber and > self-appointed surrogate for George L. Church, the late great Direwolf of > the Forum. I’m pretty sure it’s not the intent of this list-server to > host conversations that trash product technologies or widely accepted good > practices. I’m neither a plumber nor shareholder but have a 15+ year > awareness of and understanding of the product and I’m acutely in touch with > the fact that you can’t just “ban” or disparage a product that, in this > case, arguably has a better service history than steel or CPVC. > > > > PEX has a limited range of applications and pipe sizes, as well as a lower > rated working pressure. But it’s easy to install, doesn’t require > threading, brazing, soldering, cement or any method of fusion to assemble > and (unlike CPVC) can be tested immediately after installation. I’m > absolutely NOT advocating for PEX (or CPVC or copper or stainless > unobtanium for that matter) but before you use slash and burn sales > tactics, you might want to actually educate yourself about the product and > its performance history dating back to 1972, if I’m not mistaken. > > > > The preceding is definitely my opinion only. Happy weekend all, > > Steve L. > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]. > org <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *John > Irwin > *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 11:53 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: Pex > > > > What are you, a plumber? Pex stock holder? =) > > > > =) > > > > > > > > *John Irwin* > > Manager – Fire Sprinkler Division > > > *Critical System Solutions, LLC *Cell: 813.618.2781 > > Email: [email protected] > > > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]. > org <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Steve > Leyton > *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 2:16 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: Pex > > > > John: > > I’m definitely NOT the arbiter of taste and protocol for the Forum but > your premise is – in my humblest of opinions – flawed and contentious. > What’s the basis for your belief that a combined PEX system is garbage? > Keeping in mind that manufacturers of UL listed PEX are members in good > standing of both AFSA and NFSA and their representatives serve on NFPA > technical committees and the manufacturers/suppliers boards of both trade > groups … > > > > Steve L. > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]. > org <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *John > Irwin > *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 11:07 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Pex > > > > I need to convince a client that a combined pex system is garbage … and I > need to do it quickly. Frankly I won’t use it period but other than “it’s > crap” is there another reason not to use it? > > > > > > *John Irwin* > > Manager – Fire Sprinkler Division > > > > > *Critical System Solutions, LLC *2830 Scherer Drive, Suite 300 > St. Petersburg, FL 33716 > Office: 727.209.5122 > > Fax: 727.209.5126 > > Cell: 813.618.2781 > > Email: [email protected] > > > > [image: CSS Logo] > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler. > org > >
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