About 4000 Ft. of pipe, 300 sprinklers.


Art



From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On 
Behalf Of John Paulsen
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 6:42 PM
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Subject: RE: Heating cable and 1" wrap.



Well, one thing is for sure, your customer would be on AEP’s (American Electric 
Power) Christmas card list the first time they powered the trace system up! 
Hundreds of feet of resistance heating cable…what a “peak” demand that would 
set.



John Paulsen – SET

Crown Fire System Design

6282 Seeds Rd.

Grove City, OH 43123

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F – 614-782-2374

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Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 6:25 PM
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Subject: Re: Heating cable and 1" wrap.



Yeah...I had some one tell me it was like $5/ft for the materials.  Now, using 
Professor Greenman's qualitative formula, it would be about $10/ft + all the 
extras :-) I don't know how accurate or not, but that sure would keep me from 
doing an entire system in it.

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On 6/13/2017 3:08 PM, rongreenman . wrote:

Just figure a lot per foot, double it, and then add on the extras.



On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Art Tiroly <atir...@atcofirepro.com> wrote:

Thanks.

How do you determine the cost of operating a heat trace system?

That is important to convey



Ary



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Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 5:27 PM
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Subject: Re: Heating cable and 1" wrap.



If ceiling is too costly wait until you see the price of heat tracing an entire 
system.







On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 4:20 PM, Art Tiroly <atir...@atcofirepro.com> wrote:

They need store packaging material, idle pallets.



Ceiling is also too costly.



Art



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Behalf Of Matt Grise
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 5:16 PM
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Subject: RE: Heating cable and 1" wrap.



What are they storing?



Could they put in a false ceiling?



Matt





From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On 
Behalf Of Art Tiroly
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 3:58 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Heating cable and 1" wrap.



I have a client that is renovating an uninsulated 30,000 SF shed warehouse.

He does not want to heat the building.



Dry system requirements for solid piled storage over 25Ft high in 35 Ft. high 
building are not available.



I am pushing for an ESFR wet system in a heated building.

Rather than heating an uninsulated building owner suggests we heat the 
sprinkler pipe with heat cable and 1” insulation.

This method is in 13. Tyco has a system to apply heating cable to branch lines 
and cross mains.



In over 50 years I have never seen or heard of heat tracing being done. I think 
it is a mistake due to reliability and cost

There must be reasons this heating method is not being installed on a sprinkler 
system.



What arguments can I use to avoid this method of keeping a wet grid system from 
freezing.







Art Tiroly

ATCO Fire Protection/Tiroly

24400 Highland Rd CLE 44143

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