Ken, your first point - yes, but on your second point, the closets don't have to be exterior - I'm referencing the first exemption 'closets in garages' and not the second 'closets on exterior balconies.' I think the point is that if you don't have to sprinkler garages then you likewise wouldn't sprinkler closets in garages since the closet is 'in the garage.'
<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 1:18 PM, Parsley Consulting < parsleyconsult...@cox.net> wrote: > I'm not sure the reference to 8.3.8 would apply. > > First, John mentioned he was working with the 2010 edition of 13D. That > edition doesn't contain this language. > > Second, if John were working with the '16 edition then 8.3.8 would not > apply in my opinion as the "storage areas" are not exterior, and are only > accessed from inside a portion of the dwelling unit. > > just my thoughts, > > *Ken Wagoner, SET Parsley Consulting* > > > > * 350 West 9th Avenue, Suite 206 Escondido, California 92025 Phone > 760-745-6181 <(760)%20745-6181> Visit the website > <http://www.parsleyconsulting.com/> * > On 02/09/2018 11:56 AM, Fire Design wrote: > > If it's a 13D system then: > 13D 8.3.8 Sprinklers shall not be required in closets in garages and > exterior closets (regardless of size) located on exterior balconies, > exterior breezeways/corridors, or accessed from outdoors where the closet > does not have doors or unprotected penetrations directly > into the dwelling unit. > > Is the building classified as an R-3 occupancy? The '13' reference on the > code analysis page might be a mistake if it is but you can always give the > architect a call to see if that's the case. Otherwise I agree - this layout > looks a little odd for a 13D but it is what it is unless the local > ammendments have anything to add to the situation. > > > > > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> > > On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 12:15 PM, Paul Cetani <pa...@norcalfire.com> wrote: > >> This is pretty cut and dry here in Nor Cal. We have to sprinkler garages >> for most of our homes due to local AHJ requirements. 😊 >> >> Even if you sprinkler the garage, still seems like 13D to me. >> >> >> >> *Paul B. Cetani* >> >> *Exec. Vice President* >> >> >> >> Nor Cal Fire, Inc. >> >> *16840 Joleen Way, Bldg A* >> >> *Morgan Hill, CA 95037* >> >> *T 408-776-1580 <%28408%29%20776-1580>* >> >> *F 408-776-1590 <%28408%29%20776-1590>* >> >> *pa...@norcalfire.com <pa...@norcalfire.com>* >> >> *www.norcalfire.com <http://www.norcalfire.com/>* >> >> >> >> *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-bounces >> @lists.firesprinkler.org] *On Behalf Of *John Irwin >> *Sent:* Friday, February 09, 2018 11:08 AM >> *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org >> *Subject:* Abuse of 13D? >> >> >> >> Ok someone help me make an argument that this is not a 13D installation. >> This is the garage level of a two family home. However, the units are >> stacked on top of each other. Both units share a single lead-in (also >> shared with domestic). 13D 2010 is pretty clear that garages are not >> sprinklered. Code analysis page references NFPA 13 and not 13D. Sprinkler >> “engineered” page calls for 13D and shows no floor control on the garage >> level. (I think at a minimum the storage rooms need sprinklers as the >> garage exception is just for the garage) >> >> >> >> What say you smart people? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum- >> firesprinkler.org >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing > listSprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.orghttp://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler. > org > >
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