This project specifically references our Building Code and not Residential Code.
The garage is a shared garage and is spelled out as a P-2 classification. I believe I've got this figured out. I'll post all my code references on Monday. John Irwin DynaFire Inc. Tampa Fire Sprinkler Division 727-282-9243 This email was sent from a mobile device. Please forgive brevity, typographical errors, and grammatical gaffes. On Feb 9, 2018, 8:22 PM, at 8:22 PM, Steve Leyton <st...@protectiondesign.com> wrote: >Your code classifies duplexes as multi-family and the attached garages >as parking structures? Methinks you’re applying the building code to a >building that’s governed by the Residential Code. Or does Florida >amend the IBC in that regard? Private garages that are accessible >from the dwelling unit are considered part of the dwelling unit in both >the IBC and IRC, in both single and multi-family housing formats. The >IRC and NFPA 13D except the garage from fire sprinkler protection, but >neither excludes closets, especially if they contain heat-producing >equipment. The standard doesn’t speak to WHERE the closets are, >except for exterior closets that are excepted because they aren’t >conditioned and are subject to freezing. > >For whatever it’s worth, the requirement to sprinkler garages isn’t >enforced by “some AHJ’s”; it’s in our amended code and is mandatory >statewide. This was a favorable trade we made with homebuilding >industry stakeholders – in exchange, you don’t have to use more >expensive Type X drywall unless there’s living space above, and then >it’s the lid only. Also, the door between the house and garage >doesn’t have to be fire rated, so the overall cost savings in building >materials pays for the added sprinklers in the typical 2-car garage. > >[Steve Signature (3)] > >From: Sprinklerforum >[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of >John Irwin >Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 1:23 PM >To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org >Subject: Re: Abuse of 13D? > >More information : >Code analysis says the residential area are R-2 and the Parking level >is S-2. The Florida Building Code seems to indicate S-2 as a public >parking garage and when enclosed (which this is) requires protection. >Additionally S occupencies located below any other type of occupied >space seem to require sprinkler protection. >I do believe that the Florida Building Code does allow for the living >floors to be protected per NFPA 13D though. >So if this is the case, the sprinkler system in the garage would over >ride some 13D omissions like monitoring and an FDC. >Agreed? >John Irwin >DynaFire Inc. >Tampa Fire Sprinkler Division >727-282-9243 >This email was sent from a mobile device. Please forgive brevity, >typographical errors, and grammatical gaffes. >On Feb 9, 2018, at 3:13 PM, Parsley Consulting ><parsleyconsult...@cox.net<mailto:parsleyconsult...@cox.net>> wrote: >I'm not sure the reference to 8.3.8 would apply. > >First, John mentioned he was working with the 2010 edition of 13D. That >edition doesn't contain this language. > >Second, if John were working with the '16 edition then 8.3.8 would not >apply in my opinion as the "storage areas" are not exterior, and are >only accessed from inside a portion of the dwelling unit. > >just my thoughts, >Ken Wagoner, SET >Parsley Consulting >350 West 9th Avenue, Suite 206 >Escondido, California 92025 >Phone 760-745-6181 >Visit the website<http://www.parsleyconsulting.com/> >On 02/09/2018 11:56 AM, Fire Design wrote: >If it's a 13D system then: >13D 8.3.8 Sprinklers shall not be required in closets in garages and >exterior closets (regardless of size) located on exterior balconies, >exterior breezeways/corridors, or accessed from outdoors where the >closet does not have doors or unprotected penetrations directly >into the dwelling unit. > >Is the building classified as an R-3 occupancy? The '13' reference on >the code analysis page might be a mistake if it is but you can always >give the architect a call to see if that's the case. Otherwise I agree >- this layout looks a little odd for a 13D but it is what it is unless >the local ammendments have anything to add to the situation. > > > > >[https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> > >Virus-free. >www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> > > >On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 12:15 PM, Paul Cetani ><pa...@norcalfire.com<mailto:pa...@norcalfire.com>> wrote: >This is pretty cut and dry here in Nor Cal. We have to sprinkler >garages for most of our homes due to local AHJ requirements. 😊 >Even if you sprinkler the garage, still seems like 13D to me. > >Paul B. Cetani >Exec. Vice President > >Nor Cal Fire, Inc. >16840 Joleen Way, Bldg A >Morgan Hill, CA 95037 >T 408-776-1580<tel:%28408%29%20776-1580> >F 408-776-1590<tel:%28408%29%20776-1590> >pa...@norcalfire.com<mailto:pa...@norcalfire.com> >www.norcalfire.com<http://www.norcalfire.com/> > >From: Sprinklerforum >[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>] >On Behalf Of John Irwin >Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 11:08 AM >To: >sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> >Subject: Abuse of 13D? > >Ok someone help me make an argument that this is not a 13D >installation. This is the garage level of a two family home. However, >the units are stacked on top of each other. Both units share a single >lead-in (also shared with domestic). 13D 2010 is pretty clear that >garages are not sprinklered. Code analysis page references NFPA 13 and >not 13D. Sprinkler “engineered” page calls for 13D and shows no floor >control on the garage level. (I think at a minimum the storage rooms >need sprinklers as the garage exception is just for the garage) > >What say you smart people? > > >[cid:part12.AED85448.D0B709A1@cox.net] > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> >http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Sprinklerforum mailing list > >Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > >http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > >________________________________ > >Sprinklerforum mailing list >Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> >http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org >http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
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