My only comment. In my experience how these closets are going to be built often 
changes three times between pre-app meeting and construction. Often method of 
construction on approved bears no resemblance to actual construction. I’d stay 
flexible.

Best.

Bruce Verhei 

> On Sep 21, 2018, at 14:39, Kyle.Montgomery <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> I agree with Pete. What is the argument against this?
>  
> There would still be sprinklers in the closets, they just wouldn’t be 
> included in the calc, right?
>  
> -Kyle M
>  
> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] 
> On Behalf Of Pete Schwab
> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2018 2:24 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: Re:ELIMINATION OF SPRINKLERS IN CLOSETS FOR HYDRAULIC 
> CALCULATIONS
>  
> I have to disagree with Steve on this one. The closets are less than 55 Sq 
> Ft. Since the closet is separated most likely with drywall construction and 
> with a 1500 SQ FT design area, I am not at all concerned with a fire starting 
> in a closet and growing to the point of overwhelming a system designed to 
> 1500 SQ FT.
> I would eliminate the sprinklers based on 23.4.4.7.2.
> Just my opinion and not that of the NFPA or the SSD Committee.
>  
> From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> On 
> Behalf Of Steve Leyton
> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2018 4:51 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Re:ELIMINATION OF SPRINKLERS IN CLOSETS FOR HYDRAULIC 
> CALCULATIONS
>  
> Yeah, already acknowledged that.   
>  
> That’s …  not a sprinkler-friendly design, is it?    Architects and 
> developers always say, “We don’t need a fire protection consultant, we leave 
> that to the installing contractor.”  How are these “closets” built?  Are they 
> lockers (i.e. fixtures) or are they framed walls?    I’m still not seeing how 
> you can leave them out but looking for an angle here …
>  
> Steve
>  
> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] 
> On Behalf Of [email protected]
> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2018 1:43 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re:ELIMINATION OF SPRINKLERS IN CLOSETS FOR HYDRAULIC CALCULATIONS
>  
> Did you read the original email. 10sqft. They are not 10x10. They are 2x5.
> 
> Sent from my Huawei Mobile
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: ELIMINATION OF SPRINKLERS IN CLOSETS FOR HYDRAULIC CALCULATIONS
> From: Steve Leyton 
> To: [email protected]
> CC:
> 
> The math doesn’t add up – how would eliminating sprinklers for four 10’x10’ 
> closets save 14 sprinklers in the DA?  Notwithstanding those metrics, these 
> are not small clothes closets, they are repositories for people’s “stuff”.  
> You have a prevailing ordinary hazard with accessory miscellaneous storage 
> for lack of a better classification.  I respectfully disagree that 
> eliminating sprinklers is consistent with the intent of the reference 
> section.   100 sq. ft. packed with camping gear and seasonal toys is a very 
> different condition from an interior closet that might only be 15-25 sq. ft 
> in area.
>  
> Steve Leyton  
>  
> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] 
> On Behalf Of Nick Maneen
> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2018 9:05 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: ELIMINATION OF SPRINKLERS IN CLOSETS FOR HYDRAULIC CALCULATIONS
>  
> If you are using the full design area, that is what that provision is for.  
> I’m referring to 23.4.4.7.2 in the 2016 Edition of NFPA 13.
>  
> Nick Maneen, SET 
> c 704.791.7789
>  
> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] 
> On Behalf Of Trillium Fire Sprinkler Design Inc.
> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2018 11:48 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: ELIMINATION OF SPRINKLERS IN CLOSETS FOR HYDRAULIC CALCULATIONS
>  
>  
> I have a 3 story living condo.
>  
> There are 4 units which each have an open parking garage under the 2nd floor. 
> Along the back wall are 4 (10sqft ) closets.
>  
> The engineer is asking for a dry system designed to .15/1950. 
>  
> Just want to know what everyone's thoughts are about not including the 
> sprinklers in these closets. Using the provision 23.4.4.6.2
>  
> It would allow me to eliminate 14 sprinklers from my calculation area.
>  
> Regards
>  
> Troy
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