My only comment. In my experience how these closets are going to be built often changes three times between pre-app meeting and construction. Often method of construction on approved bears no resemblance to actual construction. I’d stay flexible.
Best. Bruce Verhei > On Sep 21, 2018, at 14:39, Kyle.Montgomery <[email protected]> wrote: > > I agree with Pete. What is the argument against this? > > There would still be sprinklers in the closets, they just wouldn’t be > included in the calc, right? > > -Kyle M > > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Pete Schwab > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2018 2:24 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: Re:ELIMINATION OF SPRINKLERS IN CLOSETS FOR HYDRAULIC > CALCULATIONS > > I have to disagree with Steve on this one. The closets are less than 55 Sq > Ft. Since the closet is separated most likely with drywall construction and > with a 1500 SQ FT design area, I am not at all concerned with a fire starting > in a closet and growing to the point of overwhelming a system designed to > 1500 SQ FT. > I would eliminate the sprinklers based on 23.4.4.7.2. > Just my opinion and not that of the NFPA or the SSD Committee. > > From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> On > Behalf Of Steve Leyton > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2018 4:51 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Re:ELIMINATION OF SPRINKLERS IN CLOSETS FOR HYDRAULIC > CALCULATIONS > > Yeah, already acknowledged that. > > That’s … not a sprinkler-friendly design, is it? Architects and > developers always say, “We don’t need a fire protection consultant, we leave > that to the installing contractor.” How are these “closets” built? Are they > lockers (i.e. fixtures) or are they framed walls? I’m still not seeing how > you can leave them out but looking for an angle here … > > Steve > > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2018 1:43 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re:ELIMINATION OF SPRINKLERS IN CLOSETS FOR HYDRAULIC CALCULATIONS > > Did you read the original email. 10sqft. They are not 10x10. They are 2x5. > > Sent from my Huawei Mobile > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RE: ELIMINATION OF SPRINKLERS IN CLOSETS FOR HYDRAULIC CALCULATIONS > From: Steve Leyton > To: [email protected] > CC: > > The math doesn’t add up – how would eliminating sprinklers for four 10’x10’ > closets save 14 sprinklers in the DA? Notwithstanding those metrics, these > are not small clothes closets, they are repositories for people’s “stuff”. > You have a prevailing ordinary hazard with accessory miscellaneous storage > for lack of a better classification. I respectfully disagree that > eliminating sprinklers is consistent with the intent of the reference > section. 100 sq. ft. packed with camping gear and seasonal toys is a very > different condition from an interior closet that might only be 15-25 sq. ft > in area. > > Steve Leyton > > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Nick Maneen > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2018 9:05 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: ELIMINATION OF SPRINKLERS IN CLOSETS FOR HYDRAULIC CALCULATIONS > > If you are using the full design area, that is what that provision is for. > I’m referring to 23.4.4.7.2 in the 2016 Edition of NFPA 13. > > Nick Maneen, SET > c 704.791.7789 > > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Trillium Fire Sprinkler Design Inc. > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2018 11:48 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: ELIMINATION OF SPRINKLERS IN CLOSETS FOR HYDRAULIC CALCULATIONS > > > I have a 3 story living condo. > > There are 4 units which each have an open parking garage under the 2nd floor. > Along the back wall are 4 (10sqft ) closets. > > The engineer is asking for a dry system designed to .15/1950. > > Just want to know what everyone's thoughts are about not including the > sprinklers in these closets. Using the provision 23.4.4.6.2 > > It would allow me to eliminate 14 sprinklers from my calculation area. > > Regards > > Troy > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
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