And my experience is that they get filled to the ceiling with crap, the sprinkler being in a nice hollow in the middle of it all.
Ron Greenman [email protected] 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog, screenwriter, film director, author, actor and opera director (1942-) On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 11:00 PM Bruce Verhei <[email protected]> wrote: > My only comment. In my experience how these closets are going to be built > often changes three times between pre-app meeting and construction. Often > method of construction on approved bears no resemblance to actual > construction. I’d stay flexible. > > Best. > > Bruce Verhei > > On Sep 21, 2018, at 14:39, Kyle.Montgomery <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I agree with Pete. What is the argument against this? > > > > There would still be sprinklers in the closets, they just wouldn’t be > included in the calc, right? > > > > -Kyle M > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [ > mailto:[email protected] > <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Pete > Schwab > *Sent:* Friday, September 21, 2018 2:24 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] RE: Re:ELIMINATION OF SPRINKLERS IN CLOSETS FOR > HYDRAULIC CALCULATIONS > > > > I have to disagree with Steve on this one. The closets are less than 55 Sq > Ft. Since the closet is separated most likely with drywall construction and > with a 1500 SQ FT design area, I am not at all concerned with a fire > starting in a closet and growing to the point of overwhelming a system > designed to 1500 SQ FT. > > I would eliminate the sprinklers based on 23.4.4.7.2. > > Just my opinion and not that of the NFPA or the SSD Committee. > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> *On > Behalf Of *Steve Leyton > *Sent:* Friday, September 21, 2018 4:51 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: Re:ELIMINATION OF SPRINKLERS IN CLOSETS FOR HYDRAULIC > CALCULATIONS > > > > Yeah, already acknowledged that. > > > > That’s … not a sprinkler-friendly design, is it? Architects and > developers always say, “We don’t need a fire protection consultant, we > leave that to the installing contractor.” How are these “closets” built? > Are they lockers (i.e. fixtures) or are they framed walls? I’m still not > seeing how you can leave them out but looking for an angle here … > > > > Steve > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [ > mailto:[email protected] > <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of * > [email protected] > *Sent:* Friday, September 21, 2018 1:43 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re:ELIMINATION OF SPRINKLERS IN CLOSETS FOR HYDRAULIC > CALCULATIONS > > > > Did you read the original email. 10sqft. They are not 10x10. They are 2x5. > > Sent from my Huawei Mobile > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RE: ELIMINATION OF SPRINKLERS IN CLOSETS FOR HYDRAULIC > CALCULATIONS > From: Steve Leyton > To: [email protected] > CC: > > The math doesn’t add up – how would eliminating sprinklers for four > 10’x10’ closets save 14 sprinklers in the DA? Notwithstanding those > metrics, these are not small clothes closets, they are repositories for > people’s “stuff”. You have a prevailing ordinary hazard with accessory > miscellaneous storage for lack of a better classification. I respectfully > disagree that eliminating sprinklers is consistent with the intent of the > reference section. 100 sq. ft. packed with camping gear and seasonal toys > is a very different condition from an interior closet that might only be > 15-25 sq. ft in area. > > > > Steve Leyton > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [ > mailto:[email protected] > <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Nick > Maneen > *Sent:* Friday, September 21, 2018 9:05 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: ELIMINATION OF SPRINKLERS IN CLOSETS FOR HYDRAULIC > CALCULATIONS > > > > If you are using the full design area, that is what that provision is > for. I’m referring to 23.4.4.7.2 in the 2016 Edition of NFPA 13. > > > > *Nick Maneen, SET * > > *c* 704.791.7789 > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [ > mailto:[email protected] > <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Trillium > Fire Sprinkler Design Inc. > *Sent:* Friday, September 21, 2018 11:48 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* ELIMINATION OF SPRINKLERS IN CLOSETS FOR HYDRAULIC CALCULATIONS > > > > > > I have a 3 story living condo. > > > > There are 4 units which each have an open parking garage under the 2nd > floor. Along the back wall are 4 (10sqft ) closets. > > > > The engineer is asking for a dry system designed to .15/1950. > > > > Just want to know what everyone's thoughts are about not including the > sprinklers in these closets. Using the provision 23.4.4.6.2 > > > > It would allow me to eliminate 14 sprinklers from my calculation area. > > > > Regards > > > > Troy > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org >
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