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> On Jun 28, 2019, at 10:51 AM, Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Better ammo: Chap 5 – Light Hazard. Annex says unused attics are light
> hazard. So, an attic used for storage would not be unused, nor light hazard.
>
>
> Page 6 of 28 of the tyco data sheet says light hazard. Seems like the AHJ
> missed the target on this one.
>
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> Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET
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> From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of
> Fpdcdesign
> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 10:49 AM
> To: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>>
> Subject: Re: Attic sprinklers
>
> I agree with you, but I have an AHJ who is allowing a church to store in an
> attic protected by Viking Attic Sprinklers (The occupancy was not part of the
> original plan). Looking for some ammo and was hoping I could find something
> specific in the literature.
>
> Todd G Williams, PE
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>
>
>> On Jun 28, 2019 at 1:46 PM, <RME-G Travis Mack <mailto:[email protected]>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Based on talks I have had with Globe and Tyco reps on this issue, I think
>> you are in a losing battle. These are specially listed for attic fire
>> loads. These are not for any pitched roof that fits the slope requirements.
>>
>> <image003.jpg> <http://www.mfpdesign.com/>
>> Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET
>> MFP Design, LLC
>> 3356 E Vallejo Ct
>> Gilbert, AZ 85298
>> 480-505-9271
>> fax: 866-430-6107
>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> www.mfpdesign.com <http://www.mfpdesign.com/>
>>
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>>
>> “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low
>> price is forgotten.”
>>
>>
>> From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of
>> Fpdcdesign
>> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 10:44 AM
>> To: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]>>
>> Subject: Re: Attic sprinklers
>>
>> I have looked in both the Viking and Tyco literature and it just says
>> “attic”. No reference to anything beyond that.
>>
>> The dictionary definition of attic makes no reference to what is in the
>> space.
>>
>> Todd G Williams, PE
>> Fire Protection Design/Consulting
>> Stonington, CT
>> 860-535-2080 (ofc)
>> 860-553-3553 (fax)
>> 860-608-4559 (cell)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 28, 2019 at 1:40 PM, <Steve Leyton
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Or a Viking rep …
>>>
>>> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of
>>> Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G
>>> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 10:39 AM
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>> Subject: RE: Attic sprinklers
>>>
>>> Yes. If occupied, I would say it is not an attic any longer. If there is
>>> no ceiling, it is not a concealed space. These are specially listed
>>> concealed space sprinklers. A call to Tyco technical services would clear
>>> it up for you if that is not enough.
>>>
>>> <image007.jpg> <http://www.mfpdesign.com/>
>>> Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET
>>> MFP Design, LLC
>>> 3356 E Vallejo Ct
>>> Gilbert, AZ 85298
>>> 480-505-9271
>>> fax: 866-430-6107
>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>> www.mfpdesign.com <http://www.mfpdesign.com/>
>>>
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>>>
>>> “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low
>>> price is forgotten.”
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of
>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 10:37 AM
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>> Subject: RE: Attic sprinklers
>>>
>>> If it’s ‘occupied’, is it still considered an attic?
>>>
>>> Cliff Whitfield, SET
>>> President
>>>
>>> Fire Design, Inc.
>>> 184 Comfort Place
>>> Burnsville, NC 28714
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>>>
>>> From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of
>>> Fpdcdesign
>>> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 1:34 PM
>>> To: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>> Subject: Attic sprinklers
>>>
>>> Where in NFPA 13 or in their listings are attic sprinklers restricted to
>>> unoccupied attic spaces?
>>>
>>> Todd G Williams, PE
>>> Fire Protection Design/Consulting
>>> Stonington, CT
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