I looked at Class II and packaging listed was wood, cardboard and other “ordinary combustibles”. (although it does mention “equivalent combustible packaging). I went to conservative route and went to Class III.
I am going to have to confront the specifier at some point. His maximum was an encapsulated Class II. Apparently the plastic tubing, plastic parts and packaging doesn’t count. Just trying to get all my ducks in a row. Todd G Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT 860-535-2080 (tel:860-535-2080) (ofc) 860-554-7054 (tel:860-554-7054) (fax) 860-608-4559 (tel:860-608-4559) (cell) > > On Jan 25, 2023 at 12:06 PM, <Ken Wagoner > (mailto:[email protected])> wrote: > > > > <html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; > charset=UTF-8"> </head> <body> <font face="Times New Roman, Times, > serif">I have a bit of a different take on this discussion.<br> <br> I'm > looking in Chapter 20 of the '22 edition of 13. And looking at the definition > of Class I in §20.4.1, and §20.4.2 for Class II, it appears the main > difference is the packaging. Single layer cartons with a non-combustible > product appear to be Class I, however when the cartons are multiple-layered > then it's a Class II.<br> <br> I also think it worthwhile to review the > information in §3.3.68, and the annex dealing with when to consider some > commodity encapsulated. What caught my attention was the annex phrase "The > term encapsulated <u><b>does not apply</b></u> to plastic enclosed products > or <u><b>packages inside a large, nonplastic, enclosed container</b></u>." > [all emphasis is mine]<br> <br> One more perspective.<br> <br> > sincerely,<br> </font> <div class="moz-signature"> <b>Ken Wagoner, > SET</b><br> <b><span style="color:blue">Parsley Consulting<br> 500 West > Mechanic Street<br> Harrisonville, Missouri 64701-2235</span></b><br> > <b><span style="color:red">Phone: (760) 745-6181 </span></b><br> <b><a > href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fwww.parsleyconsulting.com%2f&c=E,1,Y5zKJKPEh1mBEBqSR-VE9cUKl5y-eyP8BpvmE_5j9ZqW2eJbNphYzrCMBZ-2YuX6d-RRkHI4gQ1FV-cvOeCfRC58uZS9NiToZv2mx7909oCqLvCW_n5hDHeK&typo=1";>Visit > the website</a></b> </div> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/25/2023 > 9:41 AM, Prahl, Craig wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote type="cite" > cite="mid:by3pr15mb5042dfc103184b19ff0c393a94...@by3pr15mb5042.namprd15.prod.outlook.com"> > <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> > <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> > <style>@font-face {font-family:"Cambria Math"; panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 > 4;}@font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 > 4;}p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; font-size:11.0pt; > font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}a:link, span.MsoHyperlink > {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; > text-decoration:underline;}span.EmailStyle18 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; > font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:windowtext;}.MsoChpDefault > {mso-style-type:export-only; font-size:10.0pt;}div.WordSection1 > {page:WordSection1;}</style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults > v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> > <o:shapelayout v:ext="edit"> <o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" /> > </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--> <div class="WordSection1"> <p > class="MsoNormal">Bubble wrapping a component inside a cardboard box is not > encapsulation. <o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> > <p class="MsoNormal">Take a look at the NFPA 13 definitions of a Class I > versus a Class II commodity. From what you described it probably better fits > into the Class II category based on the presence of the combustible packaging > material.<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p > class="MsoNormal">Internal packaging often gets overlooked but can play a > significant role in properly determining the commodity’s classification but > you have to make the call as to how much it realistically elevates the fire > potential of the base commodity. <o:p></o:p></p> <p > class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> > </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p > class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> > </o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span > style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#00338D">Craig > Prahl </span><span > style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">|<span > style="color:#003366"> </span><span > style="color:#00338D">Jacobs</span><span style="color:#003366"> </span> > <span style="color:#6C6F70">| Group Lead/SME – Fire Protection | > </span></span><a href="mailto:[email protected]"; > moz-do-not-send="true"><span > style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0563C1">[email protected]</span></a><span > > style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#003366"> > </span><span > style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">|<span > style="color:#003366"> </span></span><a > href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.jacobs.com/__;!!KZTdOCjhgt4hgw!-_khxU8gU0_6jc895I7kRbnU8JghRDsWgqOblZ4jr7Qp2IVbR30VYw_hWvNFtphnl0uWpB9KIvbYi1pvZz4$"; > title="http://www.jacobs.com/blocked::http://www.jacobs.com/"; > moz-do-not-send="true"><span > style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#00338D">www.jacobs.com</span></a><span > > style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#00338D"><o:p></o:p></span></p> > <p class="MsoNormal">1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina > 29606 <o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">CONTACT BY: Phone > 1-864-676-5252, Email or MS TEAMS<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> > </o:p></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <div> > <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in > 0in"> <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Fpdcdesign <a > class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" > href="mailto:[email protected]";><[email protected]></a> <br> > <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 25, 2023 7:59 AM<br> <b>To:</b> > Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers <a > class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" > href="mailto:[email protected]";><[email protected]></a><br> > <b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] [Sprinklerforum] Class I commodity in bubble > pack<o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> > </o:p></p> <div id="edo-message"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span > style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I am working on a warehouse > with a variety of products. Among this mess are small metal parts and pieces > (think 1/2 sheet of paper) wrapped in bubble pack. Some are sitting out, some > are in cardboard boxes. The person who wrote the specs for the project called > them Class 1 Encapsulated. I’m thinking more like Class 3 because if you take > the air out of the bubble pack, you are most likely at the 5% or under of > actual plastic. Has anybody else run into this and how did you classify it. > I’d like to know before I get into he horror show. </span><o:p></o:p></p> > </div> <div id="edo-message"> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> > </div> <div id="edo-message"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span > style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">In the interest of > disclaimer, there are items in the space that are Class 1 Encapsulated. > </span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> > <div id="edo-meta"> <div id="edo-signature"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span > style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Todd G Williams, > PE<o:p></o:p></span></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span > style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Fire Protection > Design/Consulting<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p > class="MsoNormal"><span > style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Stonington, > CT<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span > style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a href="tel:860-535-2080" > moz-do-not-send="true">860-535-2080</a> (ofc)<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> > <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span > style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a href="tel:860-554-7054" > moz-do-not-send="true">860-554-7054</a> (fax)<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> > <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span > style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a href="tel:860-608-4559" > moz-do-not-send="true">860-608-4559</a> (cell)<o:p></o:p></span></p> > </div> </div> </div> </div> <br> <hr> <font size="1" > face="Verdana" color="Gray"><br> NOTICE - This communication may contain > confidential and privileged information that is for the sole use of the > intended recipient. 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