On Jul 1, 2011, at 6:41 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > On 1 July 2011 13:54, Stefane Fermigier <[email protected]> wrote: >
>>>> Question 2: are you a "volunteer" on this project ? >>>> >>>> My answer: I'm not. I'm paid to work on this project. >>> >>> I am a volunteer. >> >> I'm speaking about people who are contributing to the project (code base). > > So my time in mentoring this project towards sustainability is > worthless? My time working towards raising awareness of this project > is worthless? I think your time spent arguing with false (cargo-cult) logic or bogus information (see below - the various links you give to support your position are bogus) is not only worthless, but counterproductive. > To get there you need to adopt the successful model developed here at > the ASF and engaged with by many companies that have a considerably > higher investment in ASF projects than you do. The model works. It's > not perfect and it sometimes evolves. If you ant to try and have this > specific part of it evolve then take it to the wider community. Nope. That's not my job nor my priority. >> 1. You seem to be your own employer (with another partner), so you're once >> again playing with words. > > My employment status and the little you know about it has no bearing > on this discussion, I have an > employer and they pay for my time. OK. If you're paid for this work I don't consider you a volunteer then but it's not the point. > Why are you so much better than everyone else around here? (rhetorical > question) Obviously I'm not since, as Bertrand stated, I'm only a PPMC (whatever that means) and PPMCs are 2 steps down the food chain below board members. And I can't claim "hundred of year of experience with successful open source projects" since I'm only 42. So obviously I won't play the authority card here (also because it's not my style). >>> It is standard practice across the ASF to *not* provide follow links. >> >> Standard by written nowhere, as far as I can tell (and Google). > > It's true that the ASF can be poor at formally documenting things, we > tend to rely on precedent and experience, that's why we have mentors. > To help guide you in the way to succeed as an ASF project. > > http://markmail.org/search/list:apache+link+nofollow > > http://markmail.org/search/list:incubator+link+nofollow These two searches don't link to anything that seem to have any authoritative value (like a board decision). > "sponsor logo and link ('nofollow' at the Bronze level) on the ASF" > http://www.apache.org/foundation/sponsorship.html This is about something different. Once again you're trying to confuse people. And BTW, if sponsors above the Bronze level DON'T have a nofollow link, it's certainly not a general rule. > I'm done arguing. I've stated my position as a mentor, as has > Bertrand. A sensible proposal has been made that Bertrand has > explicitly supported (and I implicitly support by not objecting to > it). Which one? Putting nofollow on the links or not? Since yours and Bertrand's position is to add rel=nofollow on the links, and since I don't agree with this position, let's vote. Now, as a mentor, can you explain us again (or point to a document which explains) how to conduct a vote ? > If the community agrees with you then the community need to take this > up on [email protected] Nope. Let's vote here, not in another list. This is our project and there is no ASF rule that you can point us to, so there is no reason to follow them. > - if the majority of the community > is happy with the proposal then this discussion is pointless. I'm assuming you're talking about the Stanbol community here. So +1. S. -- Stefane Fermigier, Founder and Chairman, Nuxeo Open Source, Java EE based, Enterprise Content Management (ECM) http://www.nuxeo.com/ - +33 1 40 33 79 87 - http://twitter.com/sfermigier Join the Nuxeo Group on LinkedIn: http://linkedin.com/groups?gid=43314 New Nuxeo release: http://nuxeo.com/dm54 "There's no such thing as can't. You always have a choice."
