On Jul 1, 2011, at 10:38 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Stefane Fermigier <[email protected]> wrote: >> On Jul 1, 2011, at 11:43 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: >>> ....I am saying that employers do not fund the project. >> >> YES WE DO. Stop denying the reality. This is not the country of the Care >> Bears. An stop playing on the words. Just because we don't give money to the >> ASF doesn't mean we don't fund the project. >> >>> Nobody funds an ASF project. >> >> As I wrote, we do.... > > Ok, so your company
... and yours, and some others, and the EC ... > spends money to pay some of its employees so that > they can contribute to Stanbol. That's what I call funding (in part, but at this point, overwhelmingly so) the project. > That's very cool, and it deserves > credit for that, based on true facts and in a fair way compared to > other contributors. Indeed. Did I ask for something else than true facts and a fair way ? I don't think so. > Simply listing Olivier as a Nuxeo employee on the Stanbol team page > would be a nice recognition, don't you think? Why "would" ? It's already there. I'm not asking for something that is already there, that would be stupid, don't you think ? > Now, from the ASF's point of view we dont' care about how and where > your company spends money. We care about Olivier doing a terrific job, > but we won't give more power or more recognition to him or his > employer than to the lone independent developer who's also doing a > terrific job in Stanbol and financing that himself. I never asked for this. Please don't caricature my request. > That's why we say "we don't care how much company or org X is > investing to support people to work on Apache projects". We care about > the people who do the work, give them credit, we're happy to indicate > who they're working for if they want, but that's pretty much it. Same. I never asked that the Nuxeo contribution to the project be numerically quantified. > The problem with links to companies without a nofollow attribute is > that ASF sponsors don't get that below a certain sponsoring level (see > http://www.apache.org/foundation/sponsorship.html) so I believe (and I > think Ross agrees, so that's two Stanbol mentors) that it's not fair > to give that to contributors to a project. I do not agree. First, technically, http://www.apache.org/foundation/sponsorship.html has a PageRank of 8, when http://incubator.apache.org/stanbol/team.html has only a PageRank of 5, so there is a 1000 times (PageRank is on a log10 scale) difference between being listed as an ASF sponsor page (with no nofollow) and being listed in the Stanbol credits page. Even if this was not the case, these are completely different issues, and you (and Ross) are dishonest in claiming that the rule about the sponsors also applies to the projects contributors credits pages. Last, what do you mean by "not fair" here ? Not fair to whom ? Who's harmed if we don't put nofollow on the links ? S. -- Stefane Fermigier, Founder and Chairman, Nuxeo Open Source, Java EE based, Enterprise Content Management (ECM) http://www.nuxeo.com/ - +33 1 40 33 79 87 - http://twitter.com/sfermigier Join the Nuxeo Group on LinkedIn: http://linkedin.com/groups?gid=43314 New Nuxeo release: http://nuxeo.com/dm54 "There's no such thing as can't. You always have a choice."
