Java Certified? That proves it conclusively then. What was I thinking? > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 4:49 PM > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' > Subject: RE: [OT] Text editor usage (was RE: [OT]: What is vim?) > > > Well, you are full of shyte. Okay? > > Mark (been a master carpenter and Java certified) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Espey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 5:40 PM > To: Struts Users Mailing List > Subject: RE: [OT] Text editor usage (was RE: [OT]: What is vim?) > > > I disagree STRONGLY with the statement that a programmer who uses a text > editor learns the language better. This is like saying a construction > worker cannot be a good carpenter unless he builds a house from the ground > up with a hammer and a standard screwdriver. Just because I look > at a black > and white screen and am forced to type everything (every setter, every > getter, every exception), and I have to add debug log statements anywhere > that I want visibility into the code doesn't mean I will magically > understand the code any better than if I use a modern tool to help me with > some of these more menial tasks that are by no means essential to > understanding what a piece of code is doing. > (I'll caveat this by saying that I think that a VIM or EMACS > user will be > able to manipulate text faster, no argument there.) > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Pani, Gourav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 3:49 PM > > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' > > Subject: RE: [OT] Text editor usage (was RE: [OT]: What is vim?) > > > > > > i agree with simon to a certain degree. personally, i got a lot > > better understanding of programming when i was forced into an > > environment where i had to use vi and command line for development. > > eventually we switched to a more organized environment with jEdit as > > the IDE. i will admit that using the IDE has probably increased my > > productivity. but i definitely feel that > > i have a better understanding of how things interract because i > > have worked > > in a "bare-bone" environment. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: apachep2 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 4:43 PM > > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' > > Subject: RE: [OT] Text editor usage (was RE: [OT]: What is vim?) > > > > > > IDE is what we usually called productivity tool, text editor is not. > > There is nothing to do with a developer's skill. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: March 3, 2003 4:38 PM > > To: Struts Users Mailing List > > Subject: [OT] Text editor usage (was RE: [OT]: What is vim?) > > > > Actually, my primary point was text editor usage and programmer > > ability. > > > > It is my personal observation that the better programmers use text > > editors. (vi or emacs or jedit or vim ... I don't care ... that's not > > the argument here). I'm not quite saying that IDEs are bad, although > > I'm certainly tempted to say that some days, but programmers who CAN > > program with text editors and command-line tools are orders of > > magnitude better than those who can't. You are more than welcome to > > tell me that you believe this is not so, but I have observed it enough > > that, to me, it is a truism. > > > > Simon > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 2:56 PM > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: RE: [OT]: What is vim? > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> >VIM (vi) beats the hell out of EMACS, unless you are a LISP weenie > > >> >with a masochistic bent. And any non-dot-completion editor > > >> >refines your sense of > > >> >the API because it forces you to RTFM. > > >> > > > >> >Mark > > > > > >I use an ide and am referencing javadoc all the time anyways. I don't > > >see any correlation between ide use and api ignorance. > > > > > >David > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. 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