I rest my case! ;-) Mark Galbreath Principal Consultant Workflow Process Engineering and Systems Integration http://www.QAT.com 410-703-367 / 800-799-8545 "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." ~Hanlon's Razor
-----Original Message----- From: John Espey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 6:02 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Text editor usage (was RE: [OT]: What is vim?) Java Certified? That proves it conclusively then. What was I thinking? > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 4:49 PM > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' > Subject: RE: [OT] Text editor usage (was RE: [OT]: What is vim?) > > > Well, you are full of shyte. Okay? > > Mark (been a master carpenter and Java certified) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Espey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 5:40 PM > To: Struts Users Mailing List > Subject: RE: [OT] Text editor usage (was RE: [OT]: What is vim?) > > > I disagree STRONGLY with the statement that a programmer who uses a > text editor learns the language better. This is like saying a > construction worker cannot be a good carpenter unless he builds a > house from the ground up with a hammer and a standard screwdriver. > Just because I look at a black and white screen and am forced to type > everything (every setter, every getter, every exception), and I have > to add debug log statements anywhere that I want visibility into the > code doesn't mean I will magically understand the code any better than > if I use a modern tool to help me with some of these more menial tasks > that are by no means essential to understanding what a piece of code > is doing. > (I'll caveat this by saying that I think that a VIM or EMACS user > will be able to manipulate text faster, no argument there.) > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Pani, Gourav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 3:49 PM > > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' > > Subject: RE: [OT] Text editor usage (was RE: [OT]: What is vim?) > > > > > > i agree with simon to a certain degree. personally, i got a lot > > better understanding of programming when i was forced into an > > environment where i had to use vi and command line for development. > > eventually we switched to a more organized environment with jEdit as > > the IDE. i will admit that using the IDE has probably increased my > > productivity. but i definitely feel that i have a better > > understanding of how things interract because i have worked > > in a "bare-bone" environment. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: apachep2 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 4:43 PM > > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' > > Subject: RE: [OT] Text editor usage (was RE: [OT]: What is vim?) > > > > > > IDE is what we usually called productivity tool, text editor is not. > > There is nothing to do with a developer's skill. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: March 3, 2003 4:38 PM > > To: Struts Users Mailing List > > Subject: [OT] Text editor usage (was RE: [OT]: What is vim?) > > > > Actually, my primary point was text editor usage and programmer > > ability. > > > > It is my personal observation that the better programmers use text > > editors. (vi or emacs or jedit or vim ... I don't care ... that's > > not the argument here). I'm not quite saying that IDEs are bad, > > although I'm certainly tempted to say that some days, but > > programmers who CAN program with text editors and command-line tools > > are orders of magnitude better than those who can't. You are more > > than welcome to tell me that you believe this is not so, but I have > > observed it enough that, to me, it is a truism. > > > > Simon > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 2:56 PM > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: RE: [OT]: What is vim? > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> >VIM (vi) beats the hell out of EMACS, unless you are a LISP > > >> >weenie with a masochistic bent. And any non-dot-completion > > >> >editor refines your sense of the API because it forces you to > > >> >RTFM. > > >> > > > >> >Mark > > > > > >I use an ide and am referencing javadoc all the time anyways. I > > >don't see any correlation between ide use and api ignorance. > > > > > >David > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. 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