Celestaire also has, I believe, an Astro Compass which can locate compass
points accurately using the sun. Basically you set the device for the LHA
and Dec and rotate it until the sun casts a shadow between two locating
bars.  The Astro Compass in the catalog is a bit pricey but I picked one up
used for very little. 
Anthony 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Slawomir K. Grzechnik [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 6:01 AM
> To:   sundial@rrz.uni-koeln.de
> Subject:      Re: Magnetic North
> 
> Hello Fernando and other Fellow Dialers
> 
> In spite of all the varieties of errors magnetic compasses were and still
> are very useful. Like Fernando I also used to possess more than one as I
> could not resist buying a nice thing for about $10. My offsprings worked
> hard however to bring that number down to two or three.
> 
> Now in sports stores you may buy really good and robust compasses produced
> in Sweden and Finland. They are about $10, not very big but very accurate.
> The dial is marked every 2 degrees so with some skill, and when making a
> series of bearings, you may reach 1 degree accuracy. Do not hold such
> close
> to your eye but simply press its back side to your stomach while keeping
> the thing horizontally and try to take a bearing by turning yourself in
> the
> direction of your target. After few exercises you will gain confidence in
> this method. These compasses are filled with liquid which greatly
> stabilizes them and are guarranted to endure low pressure up to 5000 m
> above sea level, which is not always true. At least one of mine got
> bubbles
> in Yosemite at about 3000 m above sea level only (BTW, quite properly you
> reach this elevation driving your car as in America you should). These
> compasses are so cheap that it does not pay to send them back to producer
> if they break in spite of lifetime warranty. Their magnetic needle is so
> thin that it is physically nearly impossible to magnetize them otherwise
> than along the needle axis.
> 
> When you buy a compass check first of all if the needle moves freely and
> if
> it stablilizes very fast. Then put the compass on any table inside the
> store, note the direction of the magnetic, rotate the compass few times
> and
> see if the needle comes back exactly to the same direction every time.
> 
> Generaly good compass should be sensitive, stable and quiet, just like a
> good wife.
> 
> A more expensive, excellent hand bearing compass you may order at
> 
>       http://www.celestaire.com/catalog/c_page34.html
> 
> Other remarks. Yes, compass shows its own compass North, rather than
> magnetic North, let alone the true geographical North. Nearby objects made
> of steel bring in the compass error that deflects compass readings from
> magnetic readings. The only way to know this error is to measure it. In
> case of dialers this is no big deal as most of us know the geographical
> position and are cabable of calculating azimuths of celestial bodies at
> any
> given moment. Charts of magnetic variation are published, they also give
> variation changes with time so you may calculate variation for the given
> year. Even good touristic maps provide information on magnetic variation
> and its changes. After some practice all those things become natural.
> 
> All best
> 
> Slawek
> 
> P.S. The Celestaire Company I gave the URL to, has quite a choice of
> marine
> and air navigation instruments and publications with prices generally
> lower
> than at marinas and coastal stores. The most funny thing is that the
> company is located in Kansas, right in the middle between the two Oceans.
> Their strategic planning was really flawless. About a year ago I bought a
> sextant from them and am really happy with it.
> 
> At 10:34 PM 2/8/99 +0200, Fernando Cabral wrote:
> >Silas
> >
> >I did not know until recently, when I found I have more than 30
> compasses:
> >I am a compass collector. Just for the fun of it, I started comparing
> different
> >
> >makers, models, styles. At first it came as a suprise to find that
> different
> >compasses will show completely different readings. 2, 3, 5 or even 10
> degrees
> >east or west are quite common.
> >
> >Also, using the same compass you can get quite different readings as
> >a consequence of temperature (I guess), pressure (altitude) and,
> especially,
> >how you hold it in your hand. That is, if it is completely level or not,
> >inclined to one or the other direction, so on and so forth.
> >
> >Temperature and pressure will affect it especially if it has air bubles
> in
> >the liquid it is supposed to be suspended. I think the temperature will
> >also affect the way the needle pivots around it axle because of the
> friction.
> >
> >Also, I've found that sometimes, when you turn your compass 180 degrees,
> >it will not show 180 degrees but some degress more or some degrees less.
> >
> >The bottom-line is: there are too many factors influencing the reading.
> >As if that wasn't enough, a layperson can not use it properly, can
> >not even take parallax into acount, can not take into account local
> >forces like iron in the floor or in the wall.
> >
> >Here in Brazil we say that if counsels were good we would not give
> >them for free, we would charge for them. :-) but here my free advice
> >goes: don't ever ask your client to read a compass. 999 times in 1000
> >they will give you completely wrong readings. In the 1 case left
> >reading will be within 2 or 3 degress off.
> >
> >- fernando
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Fernando Cabral                         Padrao iX Sistemas Abertos
> >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]              http://www.pix.com.br
> >                                        mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Fone: +55 61 321-2433                   Fax: +55 61 225-3082
> >15º 45' 04.9" S                         47º 49' 58.6" W
> >19º 37' 57.0" S                         45º 17' 13.6" W
> 
> 
> 
> Slawek Grzechnik
> 32 57.4'N   117 08.8'W
> http://home.san.rr.com/slawek

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