A little off-topic, but I note that there seems to be disagreement within the sundial community on whether sundials should indicate local solar time or be adjusted for their time zone. My own sundials so far are little more than "scratch" ones, but I did adjust them for time zone as suggested by Albert Waugh in his book "Sundials: Their Theory And Construction" (mean solar noon at my location is at 12:32 PM Hawaii Standard Time). Some posters here though are adamant that sundials should only indicate solar time! Nathaniel ShippenWaipahu, Hawaii
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy , an AT&T LTE smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Willy Leenders <willy.leend...@telenet.be> Date: 8/31/18 8:59 AM (GMT-10:00) To: Willy Leenders <willy.leend...@telenet.be> Cc: Sundial List <sundial@uni-koeln.de> Subject: Re: EU backs ending Daylight Saving Time An annoying typing error 'real moon' must be 'real noon' Willy Leenders Op 31-aug-2018, om 20:01 heeft Willy Leenders het volgende geschreven: When commission president Jean-Claude Juncker gets right, the entire mainland of Western Europe (except Portugal) gets throughout the whole year Daylight Saving Time (the meaning of mainly the Germans because the other Europeans hardly participated in the referendum which is not representative at all). Then in February in the western part of Spain (Santiago of Compostela) it will be real rnoon (the sun in the south) almost at 3 o'clock p.m. clock time. A mockery of the natural rhythm of life . Sundial experts could offer a counterweight to that idiocy, but many do the opposite by designing sundials that do not indicate the true local time but the unnatural clock time. Willy Leenders Hasselt in Flanders (Belgium) Visit my website about the sundials in the province of Limburg (Flanders) with a section 'worth knowing about sundials' (mostly in Dutch): http://www.wijzerweb.be Op 31-aug-2018, om 16:31 heeft Frank King het volgende geschreven: Dear Steve, Your subject line is ambiguous... EU backs ending Daylight Saving Time Does this mean: A: The EU wants to give up DST? or: B: The EU wants DST not to end? The report suggests the latter: Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said millions "believe that in future, summer time should be year-round, and that's what will happen". If you look at the Greenwich meridian you will see that it has a longer run through France than through the U.K. This suggests, to me(!), that both countries should be on GMT. As it happens, France was on GMT until the Germans inflicted Nazi time on them during the war and they have never switched back. In my book, France is already on Summer Time in Winter. It is on Double Summer Time in Summer. OK, here is an anecdote... I stayed on an extra day after the NASS conference and, at breakfast on the Monday, I had a fascinating exchange with the friendly waitress who had served me for the better part of a week: Waitress: were you with the Shengal Group? Me: Er, the what group? W: Ah, how do you pronounce it? The delegates who were in the Forbes Room? Me: Oh, that was the sundial group. W: Is that a branch of Scientology? Me: I know very little about Scientology but I don't think there were any Scientologists in the Sundial group. W: What did you discuss? Me: [Using knife as a gnomon and attempting to appear as unthreatening as possible!] You see this shadow on the table? Well you can watch it move round and deduce the time of day. W: Ah. It's to do with the SUN then? Me: Yes, you've got it! W: What do you think of Daylight Saving Time? Me: [I recounted the story of the Native American who said "Only a white man could believe that by cutting a foot off one end of a blanket and stitching it to the other end you get a longer blanket.] W: Gee. I like that. My husband is a pilot and he keeps telling everyone that Daylight Saving Time is a load of Bullshit. Me: You have an admirable husband. My guess is that, in the UK, about 60% of the population would feel they have come across the word "sundial" though most would think it was just a garden ornament: some kind of statue, or bird bath or even a garden gnomn! With this sample of one, I am minded to guess that the U.S. percentage is lower! We must all do our bit to educate the masses! Very best wishes Frank Frank H. King Cambridge, U.K. --------------------------------------------------- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --------------------------------------------------- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
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