On 12 Apr 2012, at 22:27, Fons Adriaensen <f...@linuxaudio.org> wrote:

> First order definitely isn't good enough. As long a you insist that
> one can't go up in order, just forget about it all.

Tell that Meridian, and all their customers who have enjoyed immensely not only 
listening to horizontal-only 1st order Ambisonics, but also to 1st order 
horizontal-only Ambisonics crippled by UHJ matrix-encoding constraints.

So maybe you should forget about it all, because there are plenty of people who 
enjoy that which you claim one should forget about. It's these sort of phrases 
that killed the potential adoption of Ambisonics a few years ago. The nice 
thing, people keep outing themselves...

It's exactly this elitist attitude that keeps the ball from moving. 1st order 
is thoroughly enjoyable, and were it not for the not-so-smooth DACs maybe some 
other digital sins that Onkyo did in it's 808 receiver, I'd be a happy camper 
with that setup, but the sound quality of that device can't compete with a 
clean stereo amp, so it's surround vs. good sound. Some day, I'll fix that by 
using an old computer as a processor, and some high-end DAC as converter, and 
then I'll have the best of both. And I'll still massively prefer 
UHJ-1st-order-Ambisonics on four speakers over plain stereo.

Ronald
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