Hi Richard - Ive also being using the leap a lot - its great but a bit buggy sometimes when you get outside the infrared area , you can see it used in a big neolithic site here :
https://vimeo.com/217058501 I had a friend who used the connect which was also fine but a bit buggy. Do you have a link to the stuff you did with the leap ? anyway yes Ill message you near the time , best, Gus On 30 June 2017 at 10:23, Richard Foss <r.f...@ru.ac.za> wrote: > That’s an inspiring video, thanks! > > And many points of contact. A few years back we used the Microsoft Kinect > to allow for hand control over sound localization, much like you appear to > be using the wii in the video. This worked well, except for the fact that > the user had to be positioned in a fairly confined area. The mobile device > control removes this restriction. > > Last year we used Unity and the Oculus with the LeapMotion controller to > create a virtual room and move ‘grabable’ sound sources around it. We tried > providing the audio over headphones using Unity’s capabilities, and also > Immergo (DBAP) over speakers. Interestingly the test subjects preferred the > external speakers. > > Yes, I have used the phone’s orientation capabilities to indicate a > sound’s localization, but don’t have a video of it. You can see the layout > on the phone here: > > https://www.immersivedsp.com/ <https://www.immersivedsp.com/> > > Checkboxes at the bottom select the various axes. The purple circle can be > touch-moved for two dimensions, and the white rectangle indicates > height.The blue circles indicate already recorded tracks that move with the > playback of the sound. > > Would love to make the London demo and if possible will contact you, > thanks! > > > > On 30 Jun 2017, at 10:39 AM, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > by the way have you already done this thing pointing the phone and > > indicating a sound in 3d space - if so do you have a link to it ? > > This is a pretty crappy video of very early prototype I did a few years > ago > > - but things have moved on a lot since this : > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cmodvSM5jE > > > > On 30 June 2017 at 09:33, Richard Foss <r.f...@ru.ac.za> wrote: > > > >> That sounds great Augustine, and fun! Certainly highlights the > flexibility > >> and capability of Max/MSP. > >> > >> Immergo uses the gyroscope of the smartphone/tablet for orientation > >> determination. > >> > >> The typical mode of working is to touch-move a sound source (circle) > >> around a representation of the sound space on the screen, for two > >> dimensional movement, and to tilt the device at the same time for the > third > >> dimension. You can request that all three axes are provided by phone > >> orientation though. So then it would be like pointing the device to > >> indicate the location of the sound. > >> > >> The rendering algorithm is selectable - DBAP is used for unusual speaker > >> arrangements, like an art installation ’tunnel’ that we are currently > >> setting up. But you can select VBAP if the speakers are arranged on a > >> sphere. Big thank you’s to Trond Lossius and Ville Pulkki who made their > >> algorithms freely available!! > >> > >> A long overdue and pleasurable task is to use Max with Immergo. > Currently > >> using the Reaper DAW. I will keep you updated. > >> > >> > >>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 11:38 PM, Augustine Leudar < > augustineleu...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Thats pretty impressive Richard - I would definately consider this > system > >>> in future for indoor stuff. In terms of interactive and automation - I > do > >>> that in MaxMSP mostly - so we have things like an accelerometer on your > >>> hand and wherever you point there is a sound etc etc - you also have a > >> map > >>> of the speakers and pan around that map (using Dbap basically) - Ive > >> seen a > >>> lot of third party systems that do automation etc - but I am already > >> pretty > >>> happy with max for interactive 3D audio - theres nothing Ive found I > >>> couldnt do yet ! But I guess I could integrate max easily enough with > the > >>> AVB system. > >>> > >>> On 29 June 2017 at 22:28, Richard Foss <r.f...@ru.ac.za> wrote: > >>> > >>>> One other thing - you mentioned wanting to move audio channels in real > >>>> time - you can move up to 32 channels around in the speaker space, > >> using a > >>>> client-server program called Immergo. The server runs on the Mac and > the > >>>> client on the Mac or a remote tablet - its web browser based, so you > >> type > >>>> in a URL. You successively select tracks and move them around a > >>>> representation of your speaker space. You can record and play back the > >>>> movements. The movements are realized via mixer matrices in the > >> speakers. > >>>> > >>>> So its two different approaches you can use - pre-prepared channels > with > >>>> movement incorporated (guess you would use the terminology ‘bed > >> channels’) > >>>> or channels that can be moved via the mixer matrices (object audio > >> style), > >>>> where metadata containing time stamped 3D coords is recorded. > >>>> > >>>> Richard. > >>>> > >>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 10:52 PM, Richard Foss <r.f...@ru.ac.za> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> That’s correct Augustine - just the Ethernet out the Mac. That will > go > >>>> into an Ethernet AVB compliant PoE+ switch (extreme, netgear etc). > >>>>> > >>>>> The SPK-4Ps will be connected to other ports of the switch. You can > >> link > >>>> together switches for larger port numbers. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 10:25 PM, Augustine Leudar < > >>>> augustineleu...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hi Richard - > >>>>>> So if I have this right no interface is required - just the ethernet > >>>> out of > >>>>>> the mac ? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 29 June 2017 at 20:49, Richard Foss <r.f...@ru.ac.za <mailto: > >>>> r.f...@ru.ac.za>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hi Augustine, to answer this question about the SPK-4Ps: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> can you daisy chain them (as discrete channels) or would you have > to > >>>> run > >>>>>>> a seperate ethernet cable to each one? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> You would run a separate Ethernet cable from a switch to each one. > So > >>>> for > >>>>>>> example, running a DAW on a Mac, you would output your tracks to > the > >>>>>>> outputs made available by the Mac AVB virtual audio entity, and > each > >>>>>>> speaker would listen to one of the outputs. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> You would use PoE+, not PoE, and each speaker is powered by a Merus > >>>> audio > >>>>>>> Eximo amplifier, providing 30W. With the Mac you could connect up > to > >>>> 120 > >>>>>>> speakers. You also have the possibility of connecting a separate > >>>> passive > >>>>>>> speaker to the powered one, providing 2 x 15W. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Here is a bit more info: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> http://www.technologyintegrator.net/article/immersivedsp- > >>>>>>> integrates-merus-audio-eximo-amp-minidsp-spk-4p-speaker/ < > http://www > >> < > >>>> http://www/>. > >>>>>>> technologyintegrator.net/article/immersivedsp- < > >>>> http://technologyintegrator.net/article/immersivedsp-> > >>>>>>> integrates-merus-audio-eximo-amp-minidsp-spk-4p-speaker/> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Richard. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 6:38 PM, Augustine Leudar < > >>>> augustineleu...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> aye - and that would kind of defeat the advantage of it - Ill > stick > >> to > >>>>>>>> passive for now - Ive always found active speakers a bit of a pain > >> for > >>>>>>>> larger site specific stuff because you have to run power to them > as > >>>> well > >>>>>>>> as audio. > >>>>>>>> These look like they might be OK for some stuff : > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> https://www.immersivedsp.com/products/spk-4p > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> but Im a bit unsure as to what exactly they can do - can you daisy > >>>> chain > >>>>>>>> them (as discrete channels) or would you have to run a seperate > >>>> ethernet > >>>>>>>> cable to each one ? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 29 June 2017 at 17:04, Dave Hunt <davehuntau...@btinternet.com > > > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I think that you'll find that an active speaker with an AVB input > >>>> will > >>>>>>>>> require more current than can be supplied over an ethernet cable. > >>>>>>> Perhaps > >>>>>>>>> for very small speakers with a low power digital amplifier, but > >>>> anything > >>>>>>>>> decent would require mains (or DC batteries) to the speaker. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> The available current may power the DAC though. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Ciao, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Dave > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> From: Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>>>>> Date: 28 June 2017 22:06:52 BDT > >>>>>>>>>> To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu> > >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Sursound] Multichannel players for permanent > >>>>>>> installations > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Hi Richard - > >>>>>>>>>> There is lots of things that pan all around the room but the > >>>>>>> soundscape is > >>>>>>>>>> designed in pre production for this installation and then its > >> just a > >>>>>>>>>> multichannel file (or seperate mono ones). Other installations I > >> do > >>>> are > >>>>>>>>>> interactive and so sounds are processed and panned in realtime > >>>> around > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> space depending on the sensors used etc. Certainly the AVB thing > >>>> might > >>>>>>> be > >>>>>>>>>> good for some less inhospitable environments- I especially like > >> the > >>>> way > >>>>>>>>>> power can be taken to the the speakers via the ethernet > cable..... > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>>>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>>>>>> URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/ > attachme > >>>>>>>>> nts/20170629/0e011d85/attachment.html> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>> Sursound mailing list > >>>>>>>>> Sursound@music.vt.edu > >>>>>>>>> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - > unsubscribe > >>>> here, > >>>>>>>>> edit account or options, view archives and so on. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> Augustine Leudar > >>>>>>>> Artistic Director Magik Door LTD > >>>>>>>> Company Number : NI635217 > >>>>>>>> Registered 63 Ballycoan rd, > >>>>>>>> Belfast BT88LL > >>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>>>>> URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/ > >>>>>>> attachments/20170629/5b094292/attachment.html> > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> Sursound mailing list > >>>>>>>> Sursound@music.vt.edu > >>>>>>>> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - 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