by the way have you already done this thing pointing the phone and indicating a sound in 3d space - if so do you have a link to it ? This is a pretty crappy video of very early prototype I did a few years ago - but things have moved on a lot since this :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cmodvSM5jE On 30 June 2017 at 09:33, Richard Foss <r.f...@ru.ac.za> wrote: > That sounds great Augustine, and fun! Certainly highlights the flexibility > and capability of Max/MSP. > > Immergo uses the gyroscope of the smartphone/tablet for orientation > determination. > > The typical mode of working is to touch-move a sound source (circle) > around a representation of the sound space on the screen, for two > dimensional movement, and to tilt the device at the same time for the third > dimension. You can request that all three axes are provided by phone > orientation though. So then it would be like pointing the device to > indicate the location of the sound. > > The rendering algorithm is selectable - DBAP is used for unusual speaker > arrangements, like an art installation ’tunnel’ that we are currently > setting up. But you can select VBAP if the speakers are arranged on a > sphere. Big thank you’s to Trond Lossius and Ville Pulkki who made their > algorithms freely available!! > > A long overdue and pleasurable task is to use Max with Immergo. Currently > using the Reaper DAW. I will keep you updated. > > > > On 29 Jun 2017, at 11:38 PM, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Thats pretty impressive Richard - I would definately consider this system > > in future for indoor stuff. In terms of interactive and automation - I do > > that in MaxMSP mostly - so we have things like an accelerometer on your > > hand and wherever you point there is a sound etc etc - you also have a > map > > of the speakers and pan around that map (using Dbap basically) - Ive > seen a > > lot of third party systems that do automation etc - but I am already > pretty > > happy with max for interactive 3D audio - theres nothing Ive found I > > couldnt do yet ! But I guess I could integrate max easily enough with the > > AVB system. > > > > On 29 June 2017 at 22:28, Richard Foss <r.f...@ru.ac.za> wrote: > > > >> One other thing - you mentioned wanting to move audio channels in real > >> time - you can move up to 32 channels around in the speaker space, > using a > >> client-server program called Immergo. The server runs on the Mac and the > >> client on the Mac or a remote tablet - its web browser based, so you > type > >> in a URL. You successively select tracks and move them around a > >> representation of your speaker space. You can record and play back the > >> movements. The movements are realized via mixer matrices in the > speakers. > >> > >> So its two different approaches you can use - pre-prepared channels with > >> movement incorporated (guess you would use the terminology ‘bed > channels’) > >> or channels that can be moved via the mixer matrices (object audio > style), > >> where metadata containing time stamped 3D coords is recorded. > >> > >> Richard. > >> > >>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 10:52 PM, Richard Foss <r.f...@ru.ac.za> wrote: > >>> > >>> That’s correct Augustine - just the Ethernet out the Mac. That will go > >> into an Ethernet AVB compliant PoE+ switch (extreme, netgear etc). > >>> > >>> The SPK-4Ps will be connected to other ports of the switch. You can > link > >> together switches for larger port numbers. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 10:25 PM, Augustine Leudar < > >> augustineleu...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi Richard - > >>>> So if I have this right no interface is required - just the ethernet > >> out of > >>>> the mac ? > >>>> > >>>> On 29 June 2017 at 20:49, Richard Foss <r.f...@ru.ac.za <mailto: > >> r.f...@ru.ac.za>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hi Augustine, to answer this question about the SPK-4Ps: > >>>>> > >>>>>> can you daisy chain them (as discrete channels) or would you have to > >> run > >>>>> a seperate ethernet cable to each one? > >>>>> > >>>>> You would run a separate Ethernet cable from a switch to each one. So > >> for > >>>>> example, running a DAW on a Mac, you would output your tracks to the > >>>>> outputs made available by the Mac AVB virtual audio entity, and each > >>>>> speaker would listen to one of the outputs. > >>>>> > >>>>> You would use PoE+, not PoE, and each speaker is powered by a Merus > >> audio > >>>>> Eximo amplifier, providing 30W. With the Mac you could connect up to > >> 120 > >>>>> speakers. You also have the possibility of connecting a separate > >> passive > >>>>> speaker to the powered one, providing 2 x 15W. > >>>>> > >>>>> Here is a bit more info: > >>>>> > >>>>> http://www.technologyintegrator.net/article/immersivedsp- > >>>>> integrates-merus-audio-eximo-amp-minidsp-spk-4p-speaker/ <http://www > < > >> http://www/>. > >>>>> technologyintegrator.net/article/immersivedsp- < > >> http://technologyintegrator.net/article/immersivedsp-> > >>>>> integrates-merus-audio-eximo-amp-minidsp-spk-4p-speaker/> > >>>>> > >>>>> Richard. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 6:38 PM, Augustine Leudar < > >> augustineleu...@gmail.com> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> aye - and that would kind of defeat the advantage of it - Ill stick > to > >>>>>> passive for now - Ive always found active speakers a bit of a pain > for > >>>>>> larger site specific stuff because you have to run power to them as > >> well > >>>>>> as audio. > >>>>>> These look like they might be OK for some stuff : > >>>>>> > >>>>>> https://www.immersivedsp.com/products/spk-4p > >>>>>> > >>>>>> but Im a bit unsure as to what exactly they can do - can you daisy > >> chain > >>>>>> them (as discrete channels) or would you have to run a seperate > >> ethernet > >>>>>> cable to each one ? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 29 June 2017 at 17:04, Dave Hunt <davehuntau...@btinternet.com> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I think that you'll find that an active speaker with an AVB input > >> will > >>>>>>> require more current than can be supplied over an ethernet cable. > >>>>> Perhaps > >>>>>>> for very small speakers with a low power digital amplifier, but > >> anything > >>>>>>> decent would require mains (or DC batteries) to the speaker. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The available current may power the DAC though. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Ciao, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dave > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> From: Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>>> Date: 28 June 2017 22:06:52 BDT > >>>>>>>> To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu> > >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Sursound] Multichannel players for permanent > >>>>> installations > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hi Richard - > >>>>>>>> There is lots of things that pan all around the room but the > >>>>> soundscape is > >>>>>>>> designed in pre production for this installation and then its > just a > >>>>>>>> multichannel file (or seperate mono ones). Other installations I > do > >> are > >>>>>>>> interactive and so sounds are processed and panned in realtime > >> around > >>>>> the > >>>>>>>> space depending on the sensors used etc. Certainly the AVB thing > >> might > >>>>> be > >>>>>>>> good for some less inhospitable environments- I especially like > the > >> way > >>>>>>>> power can be taken to the the speakers via the ethernet cable..... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>>>> URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachme > >>>>>>> nts/20170629/0e011d85/attachment.html> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> Sursound mailing list > >>>>>>> Sursound@music.vt.edu > >>>>>>> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe > >> here, > >>>>>>> edit account or options, view archives and so on. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Augustine Leudar > >>>>>> Artistic Director Magik Door LTD > >>>>>> Company Number : NI635217 > >>>>>> Registered 63 Ballycoan rd, > >>>>>> Belfast BT88LL > >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>>> URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/ > >>>>> attachments/20170629/5b094292/attachment.html> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Sursound mailing list > >>>>>> Sursound@music.vt.edu > >>>>>> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe > >> here, > >>>>> edit account or options, view archives and so on. > >>>>> > >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>> URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/ < > >> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/> > >>>>> attachments/20170629/a3a9354f/attachment.html> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Sursound mailing list > >>>>> Sursound@music.vt.edu <mailto:Sursound@music.vt.edu> > >>>>> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound < > >> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound> - unsubscribe > here, > >>>>> edit account or options, view archives and so on. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Augustine Leudar > >>>> Artistic Director Magik Door LTD > >>>> Company Number : NI635217 > >>>> Registered 63 Ballycoan rd, > >>>> Belfast BT88LL > >>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >>>> URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/ > >> attachments/20170629/e501836d/attachment.html < > https://mail.music.vt.edu/ > >> mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20170629/e501836d/ > attachment.html>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Sursound mailing list > >>>> Sursound@music.vt.edu <mailto:Sursound@music.vt.edu> > >>>> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound < > >> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound> - unsubscribe > here, > >> edit account or options, view archives and so on. > >>> > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >>> URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/ > >> attachments/20170629/73cc7217/attachment.html> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Sursound mailing list > >>> Sursound@music.vt.edu > >>> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe > here, > >> edit account or options, view archives and so on. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Sursound mailing list > >> Sursound@music.vt.edu > >> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > >> edit account or options, view archives and so on. > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Augustine Leudar > > Artistic Director Magik Door LTD > > Company Number : NI635217 > > Registered 63 Ballycoan rd, > > Belfast BT88LL > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/ > attachments/20170629/0f8cecf3/attachment.html> > > _______________________________________________ > > Sursound mailing list > > Sursound@music.vt.edu > > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/ > attachments/20170630/3edfb95e/attachment.html> > _______________________________________________ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > -- Augustine Leudar Artistic Director Magik Door LTD Company Number : NI635217 Registered 63 Ballycoan rd, Belfast BT88LL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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