Im looking at your video here Richard : https://vimeo.com/channels/tmt2016/192259189
also very inspiring ! On 30 June 2017 at 09:37, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com> wrote: > Funny - I have been involved in two 3d audio tunnels recently - if you > ever want to sync max up with your stuff let me know - I have also been > matching max with Unity and other 3D technologies recently which has > produced interesting results. Im doing a demo in London around the > beginning of September if you're around PM me :) > > On 30 June 2017 at 09:33, Richard Foss <r.f...@ru.ac.za> wrote: > >> That sounds great Augustine, and fun! Certainly highlights the >> flexibility and capability of Max/MSP. >> >> Immergo uses the gyroscope of the smartphone/tablet for orientation >> determination. >> >> The typical mode of working is to touch-move a sound source (circle) >> around a representation of the sound space on the screen, for two >> dimensional movement, and to tilt the device at the same time for the third >> dimension. You can request that all three axes are provided by phone >> orientation though. So then it would be like pointing the device to >> indicate the location of the sound. >> >> The rendering algorithm is selectable - DBAP is used for unusual speaker >> arrangements, like an art installation ’tunnel’ that we are currently >> setting up. But you can select VBAP if the speakers are arranged on a >> sphere. Big thank you’s to Trond Lossius and Ville Pulkki who made their >> algorithms freely available!! >> >> A long overdue and pleasurable task is to use Max with Immergo. Currently >> using the Reaper DAW. I will keep you updated. >> >> >> > On 29 Jun 2017, at 11:38 PM, Augustine Leudar < >> augustineleu...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > Thats pretty impressive Richard - I would definately consider this >> system >> > in future for indoor stuff. In terms of interactive and automation - I >> do >> > that in MaxMSP mostly - so we have things like an accelerometer on your >> > hand and wherever you point there is a sound etc etc - you also have a >> map >> > of the speakers and pan around that map (using Dbap basically) - Ive >> seen a >> > lot of third party systems that do automation etc - but I am already >> pretty >> > happy with max for interactive 3D audio - theres nothing Ive found I >> > couldnt do yet ! But I guess I could integrate max easily enough with >> the >> > AVB system. >> > >> > On 29 June 2017 at 22:28, Richard Foss <r.f...@ru.ac.za> wrote: >> > >> >> One other thing - you mentioned wanting to move audio channels in real >> >> time - you can move up to 32 channels around in the speaker space, >> using a >> >> client-server program called Immergo. The server runs on the Mac and >> the >> >> client on the Mac or a remote tablet - its web browser based, so you >> type >> >> in a URL. You successively select tracks and move them around a >> >> representation of your speaker space. You can record and play back the >> >> movements. The movements are realized via mixer matrices in the >> speakers. >> >> >> >> So its two different approaches you can use - pre-prepared channels >> with >> >> movement incorporated (guess you would use the terminology ‘bed >> channels’) >> >> or channels that can be moved via the mixer matrices (object audio >> style), >> >> where metadata containing time stamped 3D coords is recorded. >> >> >> >> Richard. >> >> >> >>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 10:52 PM, Richard Foss <r.f...@ru.ac.za> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> That’s correct Augustine - just the Ethernet out the Mac. That will go >> >> into an Ethernet AVB compliant PoE+ switch (extreme, netgear etc). >> >>> >> >>> The SPK-4Ps will be connected to other ports of the switch. You can >> link >> >> together switches for larger port numbers. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 10:25 PM, Augustine Leudar < >> >> augustineleu...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Hi Richard - >> >>>> So if I have this right no interface is required - just the ethernet >> >> out of >> >>>> the mac ? >> >>>> >> >>>> On 29 June 2017 at 20:49, Richard Foss <r.f...@ru.ac.za <mailto: >> >> r.f...@ru.ac.za>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> Hi Augustine, to answer this question about the SPK-4Ps: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> can you daisy chain them (as discrete channels) or would you have >> to >> >> run >> >>>>> a seperate ethernet cable to each one? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> You would run a separate Ethernet cable from a switch to each one. >> So >> >> for >> >>>>> example, running a DAW on a Mac, you would output your tracks to the >> >>>>> outputs made available by the Mac AVB virtual audio entity, and each >> >>>>> speaker would listen to one of the outputs. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> You would use PoE+, not PoE, and each speaker is powered by a Merus >> >> audio >> >>>>> Eximo amplifier, providing 30W. With the Mac you could connect up to >> >> 120 >> >>>>> speakers. You also have the possibility of connecting a separate >> >> passive >> >>>>> speaker to the powered one, providing 2 x 15W. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Here is a bit more info: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> http://www.technologyintegrator.net/article/immersivedsp- >> >>>>> integrates-merus-audio-eximo-amp-minidsp-spk-4p-speaker/ < >> http://www < >> >> http://www/>. >> >>>>> technologyintegrator.net/article/immersivedsp- < >> >> http://technologyintegrator.net/article/immersivedsp-> >> >>>>> integrates-merus-audio-eximo-amp-minidsp-spk-4p-speaker/> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Richard. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 6:38 PM, Augustine Leudar < >> >> augustineleu...@gmail.com> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> aye - and that would kind of defeat the advantage of it - Ill >> stick to >> >>>>>> passive for now - Ive always found active speakers a bit of a pain >> for >> >>>>>> larger site specific stuff because you have to run power to them >> as >> >> well >> >>>>>> as audio. >> >>>>>> These look like they might be OK for some stuff : >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> https://www.immersivedsp.com/products/spk-4p >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> but Im a bit unsure as to what exactly they can do - can you daisy >> >> chain >> >>>>>> them (as discrete channels) or would you have to run a seperate >> >> ethernet >> >>>>>> cable to each one ? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On 29 June 2017 at 17:04, Dave Hunt <davehuntau...@btinternet.com> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Hi, >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I think that you'll find that an active speaker with an AVB input >> >> will >> >>>>>>> require more current than can be supplied over an ethernet cable. >> >>>>> Perhaps >> >>>>>>> for very small speakers with a low power digital amplifier, but >> >> anything >> >>>>>>> decent would require mains (or DC batteries) to the speaker. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> The available current may power the DAC though. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Ciao, >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Dave >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> From: Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com> >> >>>>>>>> Date: 28 June 2017 22:06:52 BDT >> >>>>>>>> To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu> >> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Sursound] Multichannel players for permanent >> >>>>> installations >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Hi Richard - >> >>>>>>>> There is lots of things that pan all around the room but the >> >>>>> soundscape is >> >>>>>>>> designed in pre production for this installation and then its >> just a >> >>>>>>>> multichannel file (or seperate mono ones). Other installations I >> do >> >> are >> >>>>>>>> interactive and so sounds are processed and panned in realtime >> >> around >> >>>>> the >> >>>>>>>> space depending on the sensors used etc. Certainly the AVB thing >> >> might >> >>>>> be >> >>>>>>>> good for some less inhospitable environments- I especially like >> the >> >> way >> >>>>>>>> power can be taken to the the speakers via the ethernet >> cable..... >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >> >>>>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> >>>>>>> URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachme >> >>>>>>> nts/20170629/0e011d85/attachment.html> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>> Sursound mailing list >> >>>>>>> Sursound@music.vt.edu >> >>>>>>> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe >> >> here, >> >>>>>>> edit account or options, view archives and so on. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>> Augustine Leudar >> >>>>>> Artistic Director Magik Door LTD >> >>>>>> Company Number : NI635217 >> >>>>>> Registered 63 Ballycoan rd, >> >>>>>> Belfast BT88LL >> >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >> >>>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> >>>>>> URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/ >> >>>>> attachments/20170629/5b094292/attachment.html> >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> Sursound mailing list >> >>>>>> Sursound@music.vt.edu >> >>>>>> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - 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