Thanks And impressive work! Now I just need to now where to get vbap or another form of amplitude panning - plug-ins and a hint re. DAW (reaper I guess..) BR Søren Bendixen
Sendt fra min iPad > Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 11.32 skrev jack reynolds <jackreynolds...@gmail.com>: > > This is the first one i found, but it will give you an idea. > > J > > http://www2.spsc.tugraz.at/people/georgios/publications/papers/marentakis_2014c.pdf > > > On 27 March 2018 at 10:27, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Sorry Im a bit busy so didnt read all. I did quite a similar project with >> two concentric rings of speakers one inside the other. My advice would be >> to not use ambisonics but Vbap or some form of amplitude panning - sweet >> spot is less of an issue. I do a lot of walk around installations and >> occasionally for museums, >> best, >> Gus >> >> On 27 March 2018 at 08:01, Jack Reynolds <jackreynolds...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> As far as I know, higher order ambisonics over loudspeakers has a quite >>> confined sweet spot. Higher order spherical harmonics produce an in phase >>> and out of phase signal in opposite speaker pairs. So if you pan a signal >>> towards a particular speaker, the opposite speaker will produce a lower >>> level antiphase signal, which will work when you are positioned >> equidistant >>> from both speakers, causing a certain amount of nulling of the air >> pressure >>> at that spot, but positive particle velocity, like a figure 8 mic >> pattern. >>> So as you move around the room, the sonic image will change because of >> the >>> opposite pairs of speakers. >>> It’s also very difficult to isolate a sound in a single speaker, unless >>> you are working at seventh order ambisonics, with a 64 channel signal. >>> So I am wondering why you are considering ambisonics over vbap? >>> >>> I use the Blue Ripple Sound third order ambisonic plug-ins in Reaper and >>> have also been experimenting with the IEM seventh order plugins which >> could >>> be worth experimenting with. Reaper and Nuendo are the only DAWs which >> will >>> give you 64 channel busses for 7th order, and IEM have just launched a >>> customisable speaker array decoding plugin. You can also try MATHIAS >>> Kronlachers 7th order ambiX suite for binaural decoding at the same time. >>> They also free, so you could experiment for nothing! >>> PTHD has just updated to 16 channel busses but logic can only do 8, so >>> first order only, which won’t give you much positional accuracy. >>> >>> Hope this helps! >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Jack >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On 27 Mar 2018, at 00:17, Søren Bendixen <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello >>>> I need some advice! >>>> >>>> I’ve been doing music/sounddesign for museums for a while now (read: >>> https://www.asoundeffect.com/museum-sound-design/ < >>> https://www.asoundeffect.com/museum-sound-design/>). My next project >>> could be the one using ambisonics!… >>>> I have never really used ambisonics but have been reading a lot lately, >>> and demoing plug ins - up til now only in headphones converting stuff to >>> binaural. >>>> And in the next few days I´ll test some ambisonics over my speakers. I >>> did that a while back and it sounded very cool. >>>> I have a studio with 8 ch out, 8 speakers (and a sub) - but hope I can >>> get my hands on 8 more channels and 8 more speakers. >>>> >>>> I have logic Pro x, ableton live 9 (upgrading soon..) and Reaper. I do >>> most of my work in Logic Pro X, and would like to stay in Logic - the >>> exhibition opens in less than three months…so digging deep into another >> DAW >>> is difficult. >>>> >>>> I’m a composer and I compose music and sounddesign.I tend to use >>> standard technical configurations in odd ways (parallel stereo, some >>> sourround configs), Mostly it is ways of composing and arranging every >>> sound as a part of a symphony. It do that in different ways - and I >> started >>> out working this way because I was asked to do 3 compositions/sounddesign >>> playing in the same room - (please read the article from asoundeffect). >>>> >>>> Exhibition rooms are also often odd designs - and so is speaker >>> placement. >>>> But this time I have the possibility to work in 3 circles and this is >>> what want to do: >>>> >>>> - Inner circle: Speak in headphones + two sounddesigns: one related to >>> the speak, the other layers from the sounddesign from the two other >>> circles. I want this sounddesign to be 3D/Binaural. >>>> >>>> - Middle circle: 8 speakers hanging from a rig about 4 - 5 meters up >>> pointing down into the circle.(45 degrees i guess..). This sounddesign >> will >>> consist of music, local sound related to object/themes in this part of >> the >>> exhibition. This should be in ambisonics. some of this sounddesign will >>> appear in headphones as binaural sounds. I can be two different >> audiofiles >>> (managed by Qlab). >>>> >>>> - Outer circle: 8 speakers placed on the walls - the room is square but >>> we will try to create an illusion that it is circular by projecting >> movies >>> on the walls. Here I want another sounddesign consisting of mainly season >>> related sound (spring, summer, winter - storm, rain, wind, and just the >>> sound of a cold cold morning..). >>>> his sounddesign should be ambisonics too. >>>> If possible I would like sounds from ex. horses (or people walking or >>> wind blowing) wander from the outer circle into the middle circle and >> into >>> headphones. and back. >>>> >>>> The sounddesign/music from the middle circle and the outer circle will >>> blend (and should blend) and when you put on headphones you will hear >>> layers of the middle and outer circle designs - so you never leave what I >>> call the overall sounddesign. >>>> >>>> So how do I do that..? >>>> >>>> First I need to know: Is it true that Ambisonics does not “aim for” a >>> sweet spot - Paul Virostek says it does (https://www. >>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of- >>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883 <https://www. >>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of- >>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883>) a lot says it doesn’t..? >>>> It is very importing to find out about, because an exhibition crowd >>> walks around so a narrow sweet spot is no go. >>>> And my main reason for using ambisonics is that is believe it is the >>> best format to create space/soundroom where you are ex. in the middle of >> a >>> storm. or you walk around inside a composition/orchestra.I also like the >>> idea that ambisonics is not depending on a fixed speaker >>> configuration..right? >>>> >>>> So I want to create big spaces BUT the same sounddesign needs both >>> overall sound and local sound (sounds that stays in a specific position)- >>> and wandering sounds - it seems to be possible too to blend an overall >>> ambisonic full circle of sound with local placed sounds in the same >> design…? >>>> >>>> And what software do I need? >>>> I guess I need software that can deal with ambisonics files and make >>> ambisonics files out of mono, stereo, surround files >>>> and software that can convert ambisonics sound into binaural sound for >>> headphones. >>>> >>>> I´m testing >>>> Noisemakers ambihead, and Ambipan (good stuff and working in logic too) >>>> DearVR music (and tomorrow testing DearVR pro for ambisonics output) - >>> (sounds great and the panner is very good) >>>> And Logics own binarual output. (seems ok for binaural but misses some >>> automation) >>>> Wigware (seems ok but cannot work in logic) >>>> >>>> I’m about to test >>>> Waves ambisonics B360 + NX >>>> Rondo360 >>>> >>>> Everthing will run in sync controlled by Qlab - I guess Qlab can handle >>> ambisonics, right? >>>> I found this about Qlab and ambisonics but it involves Reaper >>> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556 < >>> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556> >>>> >>>> I’m used to do the different layers of sound design in different >>> sessions and combining them afterwards but this time I will try and make >>> all three in the same session…in logic. >>>> >>>> I also have sound particles but it is stand alone and I might use for >>> some odd stuff. >>>> >>>> So - what do you recommend? >>>> And what do see as problems/issues? >>>> >>>> I’m sorry for taking your (holliday) time but I need someone to says: >>> Buy or get this software and do this - and you´re good :-) >>>> And I know I’m addressing my questions to a forum of people how does >> far >>> more weird stuff than this :-) >>>> >>>> I hope I’ve made myself clear. If not: tell me. >>>> >>>> Med venlig hilsen/Best regards >>>> >>>> Søren Bendixen >>>> Composer/Sound Designer/Producer >>>> >>>> Winner of Monitor Industry Award 2016 for the exhibition “Gladiator”, >> At >>> Moesgaard Museum >>>> >>>> New album Music for exhibitions out 15 January 2017 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Company: Søren Bendixen & Anette Krag >>>> soerenbendi...@gmail.com >>>> +45 60624394 >>>> www.soerenbendixen.com >>>> Facebook >>>> Soundcloud >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>> URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/ >>> attachments/20180327/e3c21b73/attachment.html> >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>> Name: Musicforexhibitions_2x32cm.jpg >>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>> Size: 61248 bytes >>>> Desc: not available >>>> URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/ >>> attachments/20180327/e3c21b73/attachment.jpg> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Sursound mailing list >>>> Sursound@music.vt.edu >>>> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe >> here, >>> edit account or options, view archives and so on. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sursound mailing list >>> Sursound@music.vt.edu >>> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, >>> edit account or options, view archives and so on. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Augustine Leudar >> Artistic Director Magik Door LTD >> Company Number : NI635217 >> Registered 63 Ballycoan rd, >> Belfast BT88LL >> www.magikdoor.net >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/ >> attachments/20180327/8d98ceee/attachment.html> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sursound mailing list >> Sursound@music.vt.edu >> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, >> edit account or options, view archives and so on. >> > > > > -- > > 07889727365 > > 02036861372 > > 3 Swimmers Lane > Haggerston > London > E2 8FR > > > www.facebook.com/reynoldsmicrophones > > www.sohovr.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20180327/6dd24adf/attachment.html> > _______________________________________________ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit > account or options, view archives and so on. _______________________________________________ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
