👍 > Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 14.28 skrev Augustine Leudar > <augustineleu...@gmail.com>: > > PS there are more flexible forms of amplitude panning - but Im trying to > keep it brief ! Fro circles Vbap the one I reckon. > > On 27 March 2018 at 13:25, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com > <mailto:augustineleu...@gmail.com>> > wrote: > >> PS I use Nuendo for sound design - but I understand your price concerns - >> reaper would cover all these bases - I am unfamiliar with the bus system in >> Logic. Amplitude panning is just your basic surround panner - in fact the >> balance on your stereo is a form of amplitude panning. If you want a really >> irregular speaker setup youll need max and know how to program it (theres >> possibly other software available - thats just what I use) >> >> On 27 March 2018 at 13:22, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> 16 speakers etc ? I would use Reaper if you dont want to spend lots of >>> cash - its also very flexible. I use max for this stuff as its totally >>> bespoke. Pure data is a free version but a steep learning curve and I dont >>> know waht the spatialisation tools are like. >>> >>> On 27 March 2018 at 13:17, søren Bendixen <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks >>>> And impressive work! >>>> Now I just need to now where to get vbap or another form of amplitude >>>> panning - plug-ins and a hint re. DAW (reaper I guess..) >>>> BR >>>> Søren Bendixen >>>> >>>> Sendt fra min iPad >>>> >>>>> Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 11.32 skrev jack reynolds < >>>> jackreynolds...@gmail.com>: >>>>> >>>>> This is the first one i found, but it will give you an idea. >>>>> >>>>> J >>>>> >>>>> http://www2.spsc.tugraz.at/people/georgios/publications/pape >>>> rs/marentakis_2014c.pdf >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 27 March 2018 at 10:27, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Sorry Im a bit busy so didnt read all. I did quite a similar project >>>> with >>>>>> two concentric rings of speakers one inside the other. My advice >>>> would be >>>>>> to not use ambisonics but Vbap or some form of amplitude panning - >>>> sweet >>>>>> spot is less of an issue. I do a lot of walk around installations and >>>>>> occasionally for museums, >>>>>> best, >>>>>> Gus >>>>>> >>>>>> On 27 March 2018 at 08:01, Jack Reynolds <jackreynolds...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> As far as I know, higher order ambisonics over loudspeakers has a >>>> quite >>>>>>> confined sweet spot. Higher order spherical harmonics produce an in >>>> phase >>>>>>> and out of phase signal in opposite speaker pairs. So if you pan a >>>> signal >>>>>>> towards a particular speaker, the opposite speaker will produce a >>>> lower >>>>>>> level antiphase signal, which will work when you are positioned >>>>>> equidistant >>>>>>> from both speakers, causing a certain amount of nulling of the air >>>>>> pressure >>>>>>> at that spot, but positive particle velocity, like a figure 8 mic >>>>>> pattern. >>>>>>> So as you move around the room, the sonic image will change because >>>> of >>>>>> the >>>>>>> opposite pairs of speakers. >>>>>>> It’s also very difficult to isolate a sound in a single speaker, >>>> unless >>>>>>> you are working at seventh order ambisonics, with a 64 channel >>>> signal. >>>>>>> So I am wondering why you are considering ambisonics over vbap? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I use the Blue Ripple Sound third order ambisonic plug-ins in Reaper >>>> and >>>>>>> have also been experimenting with the IEM seventh order plugins which >>>>>> could >>>>>>> be worth experimenting with. Reaper and Nuendo are the only DAWs >>>> which >>>>>> will >>>>>>> give you 64 channel busses for 7th order, and IEM have just launched >>>> a >>>>>>> customisable speaker array decoding plugin. You can also try MATHIAS >>>>>>> Kronlachers 7th order ambiX suite for binaural decoding at the same >>>> time. >>>>>>> They also free, so you could experiment for nothing! >>>>>>> PTHD has just updated to 16 channel busses but logic can only do 8, >>>> so >>>>>>> first order only, which won’t give you much positional accuracy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hope this helps! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jack >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 27 Mar 2018, at 00:17, Søren Bendixen <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello >>>>>>>> I need some advice! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I’ve been doing music/sounddesign for museums for a while now (read: >>>>>>> https://www.asoundeffect.com/museum-sound-design/ < >>>>>>> https://www.asoundeffect.com/museum-sound-design/>). My next project >>>>>>> could be the one using ambisonics!… >>>>>>>> I have never really used ambisonics but have been reading a lot >>>> lately, >>>>>>> and demoing plug ins - up til now only in headphones converting >>>> stuff to >>>>>>> binaural. >>>>>>>> And in the next few days I´ll test some ambisonics over my >>>> speakers. I >>>>>>> did that a while back and it sounded very cool. >>>>>>>> I have a studio with 8 ch out, 8 speakers (and a sub) - but hope I >>>> can >>>>>>> get my hands on 8 more channels and 8 more speakers. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have logic Pro x, ableton live 9 (upgrading soon..) and Reaper. I >>>> do >>>>>>> most of my work in Logic Pro X, and would like to stay in Logic - the >>>>>>> exhibition opens in less than three months…so digging deep into >>>> another >>>>>> DAW >>>>>>> is difficult. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I’m a composer and I compose music and sounddesign.I tend to use >>>>>>> standard technical configurations in odd ways (parallel stereo, some >>>>>>> sourround configs), Mostly it is ways of composing and arranging >>>> every >>>>>>> sound as a part of a symphony. It do that in different ways - and I >>>>>> started >>>>>>> out working this way because I was asked to do 3 >>>> compositions/sounddesign >>>>>>> playing in the same room - (please read the article from >>>> asoundeffect). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Exhibition rooms are also often odd designs - and so is speaker >>>>>>> placement. >>>>>>>> But this time I have the possibility to work in 3 circles and this >>>> is >>>>>>> what want to do: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Inner circle: Speak in headphones + two sounddesigns: one related >>>> to >>>>>>> the speak, the other layers from the sounddesign from the two other >>>>>>> circles. I want this sounddesign to be 3D/Binaural. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Middle circle: 8 speakers hanging from a rig about 4 - 5 meters up >>>>>>> pointing down into the circle.(45 degrees i guess..). This >>>> sounddesign >>>>>> will >>>>>>> consist of music, local sound related to object/themes in this part >>>> of >>>>>> the >>>>>>> exhibition. This should be in ambisonics. some of this sounddesign >>>> will >>>>>>> appear in headphones as binaural sounds. I can be two different >>>>>> audiofiles >>>>>>> (managed by Qlab). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Outer circle: 8 speakers placed on the walls - the room is square >>>> but >>>>>>> we will try to create an illusion that it is circular by projecting >>>>>> movies >>>>>>> on the walls. Here I want another sounddesign consisting of mainly >>>> season >>>>>>> related sound (spring, summer, winter - storm, rain, wind, and just >>>> the >>>>>>> sound of a cold cold morning..). >>>>>>>> his sounddesign should be ambisonics too. >>>>>>>> If possible I would like sounds from ex. horses (or people walking >>>> or >>>>>>> wind blowing) wander from the outer circle into the middle circle and >>>>>> into >>>>>>> headphones. and back. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The sounddesign/music from the middle circle and the outer circle >>>> will >>>>>>> blend (and should blend) and when you put on headphones you will hear >>>>>>> layers of the middle and outer circle designs - so you never leave >>>> what I >>>>>>> call the overall sounddesign. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So how do I do that..? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> First I need to know: Is it true that Ambisonics does not “aim for” >>>> a >>>>>>> sweet spot - Paul Virostek says it does (https://www. >>>>>>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of- >>>>>>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883 <https://www. >>>>>>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of- >>>>>>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883>) a lot says it doesn’t..? >>>>>>>> It is very importing to find out about, because an exhibition crowd >>>>>>> walks around so a narrow sweet spot is no go. >>>>>>>> And my main reason for using ambisonics is that is believe it is the >>>>>>> best format to create space/soundroom where you are ex. in the >>>> middle of >>>>>> a >>>>>>> storm. or you walk around inside a composition/orchestra.I also like >>>> the >>>>>>> idea that ambisonics is not depending on a fixed speaker >>>>>>> configuration..right? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So I want to create big spaces BUT the same sounddesign needs both >>>>>>> overall sound and local sound (sounds that stays in a specific >>>> position)- >>>>>>> and wandering sounds - it seems to be possible too to blend an >>>> overall >>>>>>> ambisonic full circle of sound with local placed sounds in the same >>>>>> design…? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And what software do I need? >>>>>>>> I guess I need software that can deal with ambisonics files and make >>>>>>> ambisonics files out of mono, stereo, surround files >>>>>>>> and software that can convert ambisonics sound into binaural sound >>>> for >>>>>>> headphones. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I´m testing >>>>>>>> Noisemakers ambihead, and Ambipan (good stuff and working in logic >>>> too) >>>>>>>> DearVR music (and tomorrow testing DearVR pro for ambisonics >>>> output) - >>>>>>> (sounds great and the panner is very good) >>>>>>>> And Logics own binarual output. (seems ok for binaural but misses >>>> some >>>>>>> automation) >>>>>>>> Wigware (seems ok but cannot work in logic) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I’m about to test >>>>>>>> Waves ambisonics B360 + NX >>>>>>>> Rondo360 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Everthing will run in sync controlled by Qlab - I guess Qlab can >>>> handle >>>>>>> ambisonics, right? >>>>>>>> I found this about Qlab and ambisonics but it involves Reaper >>>>>>> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556 < >>>>>>> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I’m used to do the different layers of sound design in different >>>>>>> sessions and combining them afterwards but this time I will try and >>>> make >>>>>>> all three in the same session…in logic. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I also have sound particles but it is stand alone and I might use >>>> for >>>>>>> some odd stuff. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So - what do you recommend? >>>>>>>> And what do see as problems/issues? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I’m sorry for taking your (holliday) time but I need someone to >>>> says: >>>>>>> Buy or get this software and do this - and you´re good :-) >>>>>>>> And I know I’m addressing my questions to a forum of people how does >>>>>> far >>>>>>> more weird stuff than this :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I hope I’ve made myself clear. 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