now? > Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 14.37 skrev Augustine Leudar > <augustineleu...@gmail.com>: > > Actually I've ehad a thought about how you could do it in Logic. Give me a > bell +44 (0) 7719456112 > best > Gus > > On 27 March 2018 at 13:36, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Learning Max would take much longer than learning Nuendo. Its not max for >> live perse but the standalone software max msp which predated max for live >> Im suggesting. >> I wouldnt try and use live for this and Logic doesnt have enough busses. >> What you are describing is the kind of work I do very often - Im afraid the >> learning curve would be quite steep as you need to learn new software. I >> would learn reaper. >> >> On 27 March 2018 at 13:32, Søren Bendixen <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I could afford Nuendo, but are nervous about time for learning. >>> Max—is it max for live? >>> I work daily in Ableton Live, but guess max is a different thing. >>> Logic has 8 ch busses. >>> >>>> Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 14.25 skrev Augustine Leudar < >>> augustineleu...@gmail.com>: >>>> >>>> PS I use Nuendo for sound design - but I understand your price concerns >>> - >>>> reaper would cover all these bases - I am unfamiliar with the bus >>> system in >>>> Logic. Amplitude panning is just your basic surround panner - in fact >>> the >>>> balance on your stereo is a form of amplitude panning. If you want a >>> really >>>> irregular speaker setup youll need max and know how to program it >>> (theres >>>> possibly other software available - thats just what I use) >>>> >>>> On 27 March 2018 at 13:22, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:augustineleu...@gmail.com>> >>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> 16 speakers etc ? I would use Reaper if you dont want to spend lots of >>>>> cash - its also very flexible. I use max for this stuff as its totally >>>>> bespoke. Pure data is a free version but a steep learning curve and I >>> dont >>>>> know waht the spatialisation tools are like. >>>>> >>>>> On 27 March 2018 at 13:17, søren Bendixen <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> And impressive work! >>>>>> Now I just need to now where to get vbap or another form of amplitude >>>>>> panning - plug-ins and a hint re. DAW (reaper I guess..) >>>>>> BR >>>>>> Søren Bendixen >>>>>> >>>>>> Sendt fra min iPad >>>>>> >>>>>>> Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 11.32 skrev jack reynolds < >>>>>> jackreynolds...@gmail.com>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is the first one i found, but it will give you an idea. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> J >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www2.spsc.tugraz.at/people/georgios/publications/pape >>>>>> rs/marentakis_2014c.pdf >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 27 March 2018 at 10:27, Augustine Leudar < >>> augustineleu...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sorry Im a bit busy so didnt read all. I did quite a similar project >>>>>> with >>>>>>>> two concentric rings of speakers one inside the other. My advice >>> would >>>>>> be >>>>>>>> to not use ambisonics but Vbap or some form of amplitude panning - >>>>>> sweet >>>>>>>> spot is less of an issue. I do a lot of walk around installations >>> and >>>>>>>> occasionally for museums, >>>>>>>> best, >>>>>>>> Gus >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 27 March 2018 at 08:01, Jack Reynolds <jackreynolds...@gmail.com >>>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As far as I know, higher order ambisonics over loudspeakers has a >>>>>> quite >>>>>>>>> confined sweet spot. Higher order spherical harmonics produce an in >>>>>> phase >>>>>>>>> and out of phase signal in opposite speaker pairs. So if you pan a >>>>>> signal >>>>>>>>> towards a particular speaker, the opposite speaker will produce a >>>>>> lower >>>>>>>>> level antiphase signal, which will work when you are positioned >>>>>>>> equidistant >>>>>>>>> from both speakers, causing a certain amount of nulling of the air >>>>>>>> pressure >>>>>>>>> at that spot, but positive particle velocity, like a figure 8 mic >>>>>>>> pattern. >>>>>>>>> So as you move around the room, the sonic image will change >>> because of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> opposite pairs of speakers. >>>>>>>>> It’s also very difficult to isolate a sound in a single speaker, >>>>>> unless >>>>>>>>> you are working at seventh order ambisonics, with a 64 channel >>> signal. >>>>>>>>> So I am wondering why you are considering ambisonics over vbap? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I use the Blue Ripple Sound third order ambisonic plug-ins in >>> Reaper >>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> have also been experimenting with the IEM seventh order plugins >>> which >>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>> be worth experimenting with. Reaper and Nuendo are the only DAWs >>> which >>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>> give you 64 channel busses for 7th order, and IEM have just >>> launched a >>>>>>>>> customisable speaker array decoding plugin. You can also try >>> MATHIAS >>>>>>>>> Kronlachers 7th order ambiX suite for binaural decoding at the same >>>>>> time. >>>>>>>>> They also free, so you could experiment for nothing! >>>>>>>>> PTHD has just updated to 16 channel busses but logic can only do >>> 8, so >>>>>>>>> first order only, which won’t give you much positional accuracy. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hope this helps! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jack >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 27 Mar 2018, at 00:17, Søren Bendixen < >>> soerenbendi...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello >>>>>>>>>> I need some advice! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I’ve been doing music/sounddesign for museums for a while now >>> (read: >>>>>>>>> https://www.asoundeffect.com/museum-sound-design/ < >>>>>>>>> https://www.asoundeffect.com/museum-sound-design/>). My next >>> project >>>>>>>>> could be the one using ambisonics!… >>>>>>>>>> I have never really used ambisonics but have been reading a lot >>>>>> lately, >>>>>>>>> and demoing plug ins - up til now only in headphones converting >>> stuff >>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> binaural. >>>>>>>>>> And in the next few days I´ll test some ambisonics over my >>> speakers. >>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> did that a while back and it sounded very cool. >>>>>>>>>> I have a studio with 8 ch out, 8 speakers (and a sub) - but hope I >>>>>> can >>>>>>>>> get my hands on 8 more channels and 8 more speakers. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have logic Pro x, ableton live 9 (upgrading soon..) and Reaper. >>> I >>>>>> do >>>>>>>>> most of my work in Logic Pro X, and would like to stay in Logic - >>> the >>>>>>>>> exhibition opens in less than three months…so digging deep into >>>>>> another >>>>>>>> DAW >>>>>>>>> is difficult. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I’m a composer and I compose music and sounddesign.I tend to use >>>>>>>>> standard technical configurations in odd ways (parallel stereo, >>> some >>>>>>>>> sourround configs), Mostly it is ways of composing and arranging >>> every >>>>>>>>> sound as a part of a symphony. It do that in different ways - and I >>>>>>>> started >>>>>>>>> out working this way because I was asked to do 3 >>>>>> compositions/sounddesign >>>>>>>>> playing in the same room - (please read the article from >>>>>> asoundeffect). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Exhibition rooms are also often odd designs - and so is speaker >>>>>>>>> placement. >>>>>>>>>> But this time I have the possibility to work in 3 circles and >>> this is >>>>>>>>> what want to do: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - Inner circle: Speak in headphones + two sounddesigns: one >>> related >>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> the speak, the other layers from the sounddesign from the two other >>>>>>>>> circles. I want this sounddesign to be 3D/Binaural. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - Middle circle: 8 speakers hanging from a rig about 4 - 5 meters >>> up >>>>>>>>> pointing down into the circle.(45 degrees i guess..). This >>> sounddesign >>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>> consist of music, local sound related to object/themes in this >>> part of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> exhibition. This should be in ambisonics. some of this sounddesign >>>>>> will >>>>>>>>> appear in headphones as binaural sounds. I can be two different >>>>>>>> audiofiles >>>>>>>>> (managed by Qlab). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - Outer circle: 8 speakers placed on the walls - the room is >>> square >>>>>> but >>>>>>>>> we will try to create an illusion that it is circular by projecting >>>>>>>> movies >>>>>>>>> on the walls. Here I want another sounddesign consisting of mainly >>>>>> season >>>>>>>>> related sound (spring, summer, winter - storm, rain, wind, and just >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> sound of a cold cold morning..). >>>>>>>>>> his sounddesign should be ambisonics too. >>>>>>>>>> If possible I would like sounds from ex. horses (or people >>> walking or >>>>>>>>> wind blowing) wander from the outer circle into the middle circle >>> and >>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>> headphones. and back. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The sounddesign/music from the middle circle and the outer circle >>>>>> will >>>>>>>>> blend (and should blend) and when you put on headphones you will >>> hear >>>>>>>>> layers of the middle and outer circle designs - so you never leave >>>>>> what I >>>>>>>>> call the overall sounddesign. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So how do I do that..? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> First I need to know: Is it true that Ambisonics does not “aim >>> for” a >>>>>>>>> sweet spot - Paul Virostek says it does (https://www. >>>>>>>>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of- >>>>>>>>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883 <https://www. >>>>>>>>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of- >>>>>>>>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883>) a lot says it doesn’t..? >>>>>>>>>> It is very importing to find out about, because an exhibition >>> crowd >>>>>>>>> walks around so a narrow sweet spot is no go. >>>>>>>>>> And my main reason for using ambisonics is that is believe it is >>> the >>>>>>>>> best format to create space/soundroom where you are ex. in the >>> middle >>>>>> of >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> storm. or you walk around inside a composition/orchestra.I also >>> like >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> idea that ambisonics is not depending on a fixed speaker >>>>>>>>> configuration..right? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So I want to create big spaces BUT the same sounddesign needs both >>>>>>>>> overall sound and local sound (sounds that stays in a specific >>>>>> position)- >>>>>>>>> and wandering sounds - it seems to be possible too to blend an >>>>>> overall >>>>>>>>> ambisonic full circle of sound with local placed sounds in the same >>>>>>>> design…? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And what software do I need? >>>>>>>>>> I guess I need software that can deal with ambisonics files and >>> make >>>>>>>>> ambisonics files out of mono, stereo, surround files >>>>>>>>>> and software that can convert ambisonics sound into binaural sound >>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> headphones. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I´m testing >>>>>>>>>> Noisemakers ambihead, and Ambipan (good stuff and working in logic >>>>>> too) >>>>>>>>>> DearVR music (and tomorrow testing DearVR pro for ambisonics >>> output) >>>>>> - >>>>>>>>> (sounds great and the panner is very good) >>>>>>>>>> And Logics own binarual output. (seems ok for binaural but misses >>>>>> some >>>>>>>>> automation) >>>>>>>>>> Wigware (seems ok but cannot work in logic) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I’m about to test >>>>>>>>>> Waves ambisonics B360 + NX >>>>>>>>>> Rondo360 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Everthing will run in sync controlled by Qlab - I guess Qlab can >>>>>> handle >>>>>>>>> ambisonics, right? >>>>>>>>>> I found this about Qlab and ambisonics but it involves Reaper >>>>>>>>> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556 < >>>>>>>>> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I’m used to do the different layers of sound design in different >>>>>>>>> sessions and combining them afterwards but this time I will try and >>>>>> make >>>>>>>>> all three in the same session…in logic. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I also have sound particles but it is stand alone and I might use >>> for >>>>>>>>> some odd stuff. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So - what do you recommend? >>>>>>>>>> And what do see as problems/issues? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I’m sorry for taking your (holliday) time but I need someone to >>> says: >>>>>>>>> Buy or get this software and do this - and you´re good :-) >>>>>>>>>> And I know I’m addressing my questions to a forum of people how >>> does >>>>>>>> far >>>>>>>>> more weird stuff than this :-) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I hope I’ve made myself clear. 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unsubscribe here, >>> edit account or options, view archives and so on. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Augustine Leudar >> Artistic Director Magik Door LTD >> Company Number : NI635217 >> Registered 63 Ballycoan rd, >> Belfast BT88LL >> www.magikdoor.net >> >> >> >> On 27 March 2018 at 13:32, Søren Bendixen <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> 👍 >>> >>>> Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 14.28 skrev Augustine Leudar < >>> augustineleu...@gmail.com>: >>>> >>>> PS there are more flexible forms of amplitude panning - but Im trying to >>>> keep it brief ! Fro circles Vbap the one I reckon. >>>> >>>> On 27 March 2018 at 13:25, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:augustineleu...@gmail.com>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> PS I use Nuendo for sound design - but I understand your price >>> concerns - >>>>> reaper would cover all these bases - I am unfamiliar with the bus >>> system in >>>>> Logic. Amplitude panning is just your basic surround panner - in fact >>> the >>>>> balance on your stereo is a form of amplitude panning. If you want a >>> really >>>>> irregular speaker setup youll need max and know how to program it >>> (theres >>>>> possibly other software available - thats just what I use) >>>>> >>>>> On 27 March 2018 at 13:22, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com >>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> 16 speakers etc ? I would use Reaper if you dont want to spend lots of >>>>>> cash - its also very flexible. I use max for this stuff as its totally >>>>>> bespoke. Pure data is a free version but a steep learning curve and I >>> dont >>>>>> know waht the spatialisation tools are like. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 27 March 2018 at 13:17, søren Bendixen <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> And impressive work! >>>>>>> Now I just need to now where to get vbap or another form of amplitude >>>>>>> panning - plug-ins and a hint re. DAW (reaper I guess..) >>>>>>> BR >>>>>>> Søren Bendixen >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sendt fra min iPad >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 11.32 skrev jack reynolds < >>>>>>> jackreynolds...@gmail.com>: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is the first one i found, but it will give you an idea. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> J >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www2.spsc.tugraz.at/people/georgios/publications/pape >>>>>>> rs/marentakis_2014c.pdf >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 27 March 2018 at 10:27, Augustine Leudar < >>> augustineleu...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sorry Im a bit busy so didnt read all. I did quite a similar >>> project >>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> two concentric rings of speakers one inside the other. My advice >>>>>>> would be >>>>>>>>> to not use ambisonics but Vbap or some form of amplitude panning - >>>>>>> sweet >>>>>>>>> spot is less of an issue. I do a lot of walk around installations >>> and >>>>>>>>> occasionally for museums, >>>>>>>>> best, >>>>>>>>> Gus >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 27 March 2018 at 08:01, Jack Reynolds < >>> jackreynolds...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As far as I know, higher order ambisonics over loudspeakers has a >>>>>>> quite >>>>>>>>>> confined sweet spot. Higher order spherical harmonics produce an >>> in >>>>>>> phase >>>>>>>>>> and out of phase signal in opposite speaker pairs. So if you pan a >>>>>>> signal >>>>>>>>>> towards a particular speaker, the opposite speaker will produce a >>>>>>> lower >>>>>>>>>> level antiphase signal, which will work when you are positioned >>>>>>>>> equidistant >>>>>>>>>> from both speakers, causing a certain amount of nulling of the air >>>>>>>>> pressure >>>>>>>>>> at that spot, but positive particle velocity, like a figure 8 mic >>>>>>>>> pattern. >>>>>>>>>> So as you move around the room, the sonic image will change >>> because >>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> opposite pairs of speakers. >>>>>>>>>> It’s also very difficult to isolate a sound in a single speaker, >>>>>>> unless >>>>>>>>>> you are working at seventh order ambisonics, with a 64 channel >>>>>>> signal. >>>>>>>>>> So I am wondering why you are considering ambisonics over vbap? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I use the Blue Ripple Sound third order ambisonic plug-ins in >>> Reaper >>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> have also been experimenting with the IEM seventh order plugins >>> which >>>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>>> be worth experimenting with. Reaper and Nuendo are the only DAWs >>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>> give you 64 channel busses for 7th order, and IEM have just >>> launched >>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> customisable speaker array decoding plugin. You can also try >>> MATHIAS >>>>>>>>>> Kronlachers 7th order ambiX suite for binaural decoding at the >>> same >>>>>>> time. >>>>>>>>>> They also free, so you could experiment for nothing! >>>>>>>>>> PTHD has just updated to 16 channel busses but logic can only do >>> 8, >>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>> first order only, which won’t give you much positional accuracy. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hope this helps! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jack >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 27 Mar 2018, at 00:17, Søren Bendixen < >>> soerenbendi...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hello >>>>>>>>>>> I need some advice! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I’ve been doing music/sounddesign for museums for a while now >>> (read: >>>>>>>>>> https://www.asoundeffect.com/museum-sound-design/ < >>>>>>>>>> https://www.asoundeffect.com/museum-sound-design/>). My next >>> project >>>>>>>>>> could be the one using ambisonics!… >>>>>>>>>>> I have never really used ambisonics but have been reading a lot >>>>>>> lately, >>>>>>>>>> and demoing plug ins - up til now only in headphones converting >>>>>>> stuff to >>>>>>>>>> binaural. >>>>>>>>>>> And in the next few days I´ll test some ambisonics over my >>>>>>> speakers. I >>>>>>>>>> did that a while back and it sounded very cool. >>>>>>>>>>> I have a studio with 8 ch out, 8 speakers (and a sub) - but hope >>> I >>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>> get my hands on 8 more channels and 8 more speakers. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have logic Pro x, ableton live 9 (upgrading soon..) and >>> Reaper. I >>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>> most of my work in Logic Pro X, and would like to stay in Logic - >>> the >>>>>>>>>> exhibition opens in less than three months…so digging deep into >>>>>>> another >>>>>>>>> DAW >>>>>>>>>> is difficult. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I’m a composer and I compose music and sounddesign.I tend to use >>>>>>>>>> standard technical configurations in odd ways (parallel stereo, >>> some >>>>>>>>>> sourround configs), Mostly it is ways of composing and arranging >>>>>>> every >>>>>>>>>> sound as a part of a symphony. It do that in different ways - and >>> I >>>>>>>>> started >>>>>>>>>> out working this way because I was asked to do 3 >>>>>>> compositions/sounddesign >>>>>>>>>> playing in the same room - (please read the article from >>>>>>> asoundeffect). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Exhibition rooms are also often odd designs - and so is speaker >>>>>>>>>> placement. >>>>>>>>>>> But this time I have the possibility to work in 3 circles and >>> this >>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> what want to do: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> - Inner circle: Speak in headphones + two sounddesigns: one >>> related >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> the speak, the other layers from the sounddesign from the two >>> other >>>>>>>>>> circles. I want this sounddesign to be 3D/Binaural. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> - Middle circle: 8 speakers hanging from a rig about 4 - 5 >>> meters up >>>>>>>>>> pointing down into the circle.(45 degrees i guess..). This >>>>>>> sounddesign >>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>> consist of music, local sound related to object/themes in this >>> part >>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> exhibition. This should be in ambisonics. some of this sounddesign >>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>> appear in headphones as binaural sounds. I can be two different >>>>>>>>> audiofiles >>>>>>>>>> (managed by Qlab). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> - Outer circle: 8 speakers placed on the walls - the room is >>> square >>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>> we will try to create an illusion that it is circular by >>> projecting >>>>>>>>> movies >>>>>>>>>> on the walls. Here I want another sounddesign consisting of mainly >>>>>>> season >>>>>>>>>> related sound (spring, summer, winter - storm, rain, wind, and >>> just >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> sound of a cold cold morning..). >>>>>>>>>>> his sounddesign should be ambisonics too. >>>>>>>>>>> If possible I would like sounds from ex. horses (or people >>> walking >>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>> wind blowing) wander from the outer circle into the middle circle >>> and >>>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>>> headphones. and back. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The sounddesign/music from the middle circle and the outer circle >>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>> blend (and should blend) and when you put on headphones you will >>> hear >>>>>>>>>> layers of the middle and outer circle designs - so you never leave >>>>>>> what I >>>>>>>>>> call the overall sounddesign. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So how do I do that..? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> First I need to know: Is it true that Ambisonics does not “aim >>> for” >>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> sweet spot - Paul Virostek says it does (https://www. >>>>>>>>>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of- >>>>>>>>>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883 <https://www. >>>>>>>>>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of- >>>>>>>>>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883>) a lot says it doesn’t..? >>>>>>>>>>> It is very importing to find out about, because an exhibition >>> crowd >>>>>>>>>> walks around so a narrow sweet spot is no go. >>>>>>>>>>> And my main reason for using ambisonics is that is believe it is >>> the >>>>>>>>>> best format to create space/soundroom where you are ex. in the >>>>>>> middle of >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> storm. or you walk around inside a composition/orchestra.I also >>> like >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> idea that ambisonics is not depending on a fixed speaker >>>>>>>>>> configuration..right? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So I want to create big spaces BUT the same sounddesign needs >>> both >>>>>>>>>> overall sound and local sound (sounds that stays in a specific >>>>>>> position)- >>>>>>>>>> and wandering sounds - it seems to be possible too to blend an >>>>>>> overall >>>>>>>>>> ambisonic full circle of sound with local placed sounds in the >>> same >>>>>>>>> design…? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And what software do I need? >>>>>>>>>>> I guess I need software that can deal with ambisonics files and >>> make >>>>>>>>>> ambisonics files out of mono, stereo, surround files >>>>>>>>>>> and software that can convert ambisonics sound into binaural >>> sound >>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> headphones. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I´m testing >>>>>>>>>>> Noisemakers ambihead, and Ambipan (good stuff and working in >>> logic >>>>>>> too) >>>>>>>>>>> DearVR music (and tomorrow testing DearVR pro for ambisonics >>>>>>> output) - >>>>>>>>>> (sounds great and the panner is very good) >>>>>>>>>>> And Logics own binarual output. (seems ok for binaural but misses >>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>> automation) >>>>>>>>>>> Wigware (seems ok but cannot work in logic) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I’m about to test >>>>>>>>>>> Waves ambisonics B360 + NX >>>>>>>>>>> Rondo360 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Everthing will run in sync controlled by Qlab - I guess Qlab can >>>>>>> handle >>>>>>>>>> ambisonics, right? >>>>>>>>>>> I found this about Qlab and ambisonics but it involves Reaper >>>>>>>>>> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556 < >>>>>>>>>> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I’m used to do the different layers of sound design in different >>>>>>>>>> sessions and combining them afterwards but this time I will try >>> and >>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>>> all three in the same session…in logic. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I also have sound particles but it is stand alone and I might use >>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> some odd stuff. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So - what do you recommend? >>>>>>>>>>> And what do see as problems/issues? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I’m sorry for taking your (holliday) time but I need someone to >>>>>>> says: >>>>>>>>>> Buy or get this software and do this - and you´re good :-) >>>>>>>>>>> And I know I’m addressing my questions to a forum of people how >>> does >>>>>>>>> far >>>>>>>>>> more weird stuff than this :-) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I hope I’ve made myself clear. 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